Horizon Wind Developers vs. Thunder Bay

New Mayor of Thunder By, Keith Hobbs responding to lawsuit by Horizon Wind

8 thoughts on “Horizon Wind Developers vs. Thunder Bay

  1. If Thunder Bay council and city officials had listened to the citizens who objected to the wind turbines,they would not be in the legal mess they are in now.

    Kind of late to say “I told you so”.

  2. The mayor was un-elected. But the others who created the mess are still there? It will be interesting to see how they get out of this situation.

  3. The Thunder Bay GS coal plant conversion to gas will create a situation where the cost of generation will exceed $100 per mwhr since this is a very inefficient use of gas. This will be reflected in our rates. The Liberals do not care how much of our dollars they spend.

  4. Rick:

    There you go again. A completely biased opinion. You only say this stuff cause you know what you’re talking about…

    Now, if you were a Liberal MPP with a couple of committee seats and you gave out opinions like that you would have a little visit from the party whip and you would soon be discussing the extra pay for the committee seats, your expense account, your party funding for the next election and the wisdom of sitting as an independent with no backing.

    If that did not work someone would pull out the pictures of you with your girlfriend — in an all night club — partying — whether you had one or not… Then the rough stuff would start. 😉

    ..and that’s the party line!

  5. I found a link to something I’d been looking for regarding the price of what we pay for natural gas supply, and perhaps Rick Coates, or David Robinson, could confirm my interpretation.
    http://www.oeb.gov.on.ca/OEB/_Documents/EB-2004-0205/rpp_price_report_20090415.pdf is a document regarding TOU price setting, and the paragraph I believe gives the information on natural gas (CES being Clean Energy Supply – McGuinty gov’t speak for natural gas) is on page 9 of the document (18 or the pdf):
    The contingent support payment is the difference between the net revenue requirement (NRR) stipulated in the contracts and the “deemed” energy market revenues. The deemed energy market revenues were estimated based on the deemed dispatch logic as stipulated in the contract and the wholesale market price forecast that underpins this RPP price setting activity. The NRRs and other contract parameters for each contract have been estimated based on publicly available information. For example, the average NRR for the CES contracts was announced by the Ministry of Energy to be $7,900 per megawatt‐month.

    If I read that correctly, we pay over $100/MWh for gas already.

  6. Scott:

    Check your math…

    720 hr /month
    $7,900 /720 = $10.97 /mwh right or not? Same price as electricity before delivery, taxes and fantasy charges. Maybe I don’t understand though…

  7. Sorry David – I believe we pay well over 9 cents for the natural gas output, from factoring out the other figures available from OPG and Bruce, I just can’t find the evidence yet.
    I misplaced a decimal point there hoping I’d found it.
    I now assume this sets the minimum price we’ll pay per MW of capacity each month. That would explain why our global adjustment charges drop if usage rises, despite the market rate not moving much.
    But it doesn’t get me closer to finding a source indicating the costs of the contracts!

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