McGuinty needs some humble pie

by Jim Merriam, London Free Press
Excerpt:  Rural voters, upset with the way wind factories have been forced down their throats, now get to deal with Chris Bentley, who takes over the energy file from Brad Duguid. Duguid moves to economic development and innovation.  Duguid’s stewardship of the energy file was marked by questionable math on the benefits and costs of wind and solar energy.  But mostly he was viewed out in the boonies as a minister who either couldn’t hear, or more likely, wouldn’t listen.  Read article

26 thoughts on “McGuinty needs some humble pie

  1. A large serving of “crow” would go well with the “humble pie”….and soon, I hope.

  2. Don’t hold you breath…sociopaths are hard to reign in….

    • forgot my ” ‘s on reign….a tribute to our leader.

  3. Dalton’s day will come. As my grandpappy used
    say – ‘Sometimes your the dog, sometimes your
    the fire hydrant.’

  4. Niagara Region Wind Corp NRWC at the West Lincoln Council public meeting last night announced a letter of credit in the receptors name for $100,000 for decommissioning. A 2 million dollar bond should be mandated instead. As if the receptor will put in the difference at the end of the subsidy contract. A letter of credit is only as good as the company’s name. Furthermore what is $100,000 in 20 years time , maybe worth 20G. A couple council members did raise their eyebrows in disgust as if they did realize what the landscape would look like in two decades time.

  5. This is the first time I remember anyone mentioning that the farmer would have to maintain the lights after 20 years. looks good on them

    • Well according to NRWC, this letter of credit is above beyond the provincial requirements……read between the lines “fool the community because letter of credit will be worth absolutely nothing when things go south “

  6. This is a well written article, an example of good reporting from small dailies, as opposed to the large city papers. It is the first time I have seen questions raised in the press about what does happen in 20 years. If the subsidy ends, or is reduced substantially, which it must, how many of these small outfits will be around in 20 years? $100,000 seems a trifling sum to be posting for
    decommissioning. I suspect it is the taxpayers who will pay for tearing down these monsters, after the companies have disappeared. Certainly it won’t be Dalton McGuinty, or the Liberal party.

    • Pretty safe bet that it will be the taxpayer
      decommissioning IWT’s. New line on our
      hydro bill – “Green Energy Retirement Charge.’

  7. McGuinty just needs a new schtick — and since I feel sympathetic towards the guys plight — I’m a-gonna bring this new discovery to his attention…

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/17/hello-cheap-energy-hello-brave-new-world/?commentPage=5

    If you’ve missed the recent brouhaha over the E-Cat (which stands for Energy Catalyzer), you’re missing out on a three ring circus over a technology that will either change everything or change nothing because what is promised is, in theory, power too cheap to be worth metering.

    The E-Cat is a simple device albeit with functioning that defies all known explanations.

    In summary, the E-Cat is a cold fusion (CF) device (the inventor, Andrea Rossi, prefers to term the technology “Low Energy Nuclear Reaction” which appears to be the same thing as CF but a less contentious phrasing). I’ll refer you to my Network World column for a more long-winded explanation of the background and theories about the device.

    For us (IWT Haters) it’s obvious that this will negate the supposed need for wind turbines and solar panels…

    Do read the whole article — Forbes no less — it’s a blast…

    • Power too cheap to be metering?

      Of course there is always some techno-weirdo that wants to throw cold water (not fusion) on the good ideas of these brilliant alternative energy guys…

      http://www.edn.com/blog/Anablog/41407-Six_weeks_later_still_a_nation_of_idiots.php

      ix weeks later, still a nation of idiots
      By Paul Rako
      October 22, 2011

      My college buddy Russ Grosse sent me a link to an article that claims cold fusion is just around the corner. Russ knew I would be especially outraged since the article does not come from some “over-unity” pseudo-science website, but from Forbes Magazine. I guess this a nice bookend to that GE magazine article I ridiculed six weeks ago. GE should know better. GE is the outfit that moved me to tears when they showed that ad where their engineers dragged a jet engine up Pikes Peak in the middle of winter to find out how it would operate in freezing conditions. Forbes should know better. Then again, Forbes is the privileged elite. I have hung out with Steve Forbes at Cato Institute functions and he is a stand up guy, not to mention he daddy Malcolm was a biker. So I want to like Forbes but this article makes that pretty hard. I met John Malone, a former Forbes editor. and he maintains that Forbes gets every single thing about technology wrong, and he meant every single thing.

      But the best part of this article is about his buddy “Fast Freddy” who reminds me of the hapless Dalton Mcguinty…

      Here is my buddy Fast Freddie Hand, back in the day. He knew how to spend a lottery win.
      Freddie: If I won 10 million in the lottery I know just how I would spend it.
      Paul: 10 million? How would you spend ten million dollars Freddie?
      Freddie: Well the first 3 million, I would spend that on drugs and booze and giant parties with all my friends.
      Paul: Wow, sounds like fun Fred.
      Freddie: Yeah and the next 3 million, I would spend on Harleys and Ferrari’s and guns and yachts and airplanes.
      Paul: Cool Freddie, that sounds like a blast. What else:
      Freddie: Well the next 3 million, I would spend on loose women in a love mansion just like Hugh Hefner has. It will be great.
      (long pause, and if no one asks, I prompt him.)
      Paul: But Freddie, the drugs, the bikes, the women, that’s only nine million of your ten million dollar lottery win. What about that last million? What will you do with that?
      Freddie: Oh, well, that last million, I would just blow that frivolously, ya know?

      Sorta reminds me of how Dalton sees IWT’s as “a lottery win” and free energy.

      • I suspect that fellow got confused by reports like this…
        http://pinktentacle.com/2009/01/gold-mined-from-sewage-sludge/

        Jan, 2009

        A sewage plant in Japan’s Nagano prefecture has started mining gold from sludge, earning a cool 5 million yen ($56,000) in its first month of operation.

        On January 28, sewage plant operator Nagano Prefecture Suwa Construction Office announced that approximately 1.9 kilograms (4.2 lbs) of gold can be mined from each ton of molten fly ash generated when incinerating sludge at its facility in the town of Suwa.

        So yah you can do that. 😉

  8. As for decommissioning, at 500 tonnes, the nacelle contains over $125000 worth of steel, not to mention the post (which I don’t know the weight of but probably at least that.) There must be a lot of copper too so I don’t think that decommissioning will cost us anything. If its recycled properly, the demo company could actually profit from taking down a turbine.
    A friend of mine runs a demo company in Toronto and tells me that there is a massive amount of money to be made today taking down highrises because of the price of steel ( but he won’t tell me how much though)

    • Hey Chris

      You obviously dont know the recycle industry, the motto is buy cheap sell high. That is why there is a line up in the Europe and the States to buy scrap turbines……right. I guess now you will tell me that the thousands of blades they do not now what to do with are worth something too.

      • that is Know what to do with.

        Furthermore a farmer at the end of the subsidy gravy train is not going to bother to undertake the ordeal to maybe break even? Say the 125k of recycle and a good for nothing letter of credit is still not enough, what about transmission removal and the huge concrete foundation. Nice try

    • To return the land back to useful crop production, the massive amount of reinforced concrete in the foundation would have to be removed. Is there any profit to be made there? I doubt it very much, this is the real problem with the towers.

    • Chris, your friend is probably right about the profit in taking down highrises because ” somebody pays him to do it” and then he can recycle the steel. The estimated cost of turbine removal is a lot higher than $125,000. So the farmer gets the material to sell, who pays to take the bloody thing down? You just don’t take a tractor and push it over!

      • Brenda you are correct. You can not take a tractor and push it over. But you can pull it down. On a trip through the Shelburne area a few weeks ago my brother inlaw and I were trying to decide which way you would pull one over. With the blades hitting the ground first or last ? We decided there likely would be less mess with the blades hitting first. The whole take down process does not have to be real complicated. I would take great pleasure in being one of the first to pull one over. Cost would be minimal.

  9. Chris: A turbine weighing 500 tons??? – I don’t think so.
    GE 1.5 MW turbine component weights:
    nacelle – 56 tons
    blade assembly (includes the epoxy resin blades) – 36 tons
    tower – 71 tons
    total = 164 tons less the non-recyclable blades.
    Consider the crame rental to take it down – $100,000/day ( there aren’t very many of them in Ontario).
    Anone want to get in the turbine demo business?

    • My favourite quote on this issue” smart farmers have it in their contract that the company take them down, the not so smart farmers don’t” and there are sure a lot of the not so smart

      • If the farmers simply have it in the contract then they are not so smart either. Most of the projects are their own LLC, and if they have no assets 20 years from now, how will the contract be enforced? That’s why bonds or escrows are essential.

    • Alot of farmers let there barns fall to the ground , nevermind turbines

      • I suspect leaving a turbine to rot may be more difficult than a barn. 3 problems are immediately apparent. (1) Pollution from the oil in the nacelle, and (2) keeping the aviation warning lights on, and (3) depending on the safety setback, a public road or a neighbors lot line might be within the fall radius.

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