Blizzard: Rural Ontario paying a high price

by Christina Blizzard, Toronto Sun
TORONTO – The day before Frank Klees’ doomed plan to run for the Speaker’s chair hijacked news at Queen’s Park, PC leader Tim Hudak released embarrassing photos showing a generator being shipped to a Mississauga power plant that – supposedly – has been scrapped. In a last-ditch attempt to shore up political support in that part of the GTA, the Liberals cancelled the plant in the dying days of the election campaign.

So how come, more than two weeks later, with the election won, the seats saved, the Tories were able to snap a picture of a truck carrying a major component of the plant to its destination?

“This Mississauga power plant is supposed to have been cancelled by Dalton McGuinty during the election campaign. It’s now 18 days later and the plant is (continuing) to be built. In fact, this is the most expensive component of what’s probably a $300-$400 million project,” Hudak told reporters.

Newly appointed energy minister Chris Bentley released a statement saying the government is committed to “relocating the natural gas plant originally planned for Mississauga.

“The government will work with the company to find a suitable location for this plant. More information will become available as discussions progress.”

That makes it sound as if some giant crane will come along, pluck it up in one piece from the residential area where it’s now located and plunk it down in a field close to nowhere.

That’s not going to happen. The plant was well on its way to completion. Changing plans now will cost hundreds of millions of dollars – a disgraceful waste of time and money.

And where will they put it?

Do we foist it on rural Ontario – the way the government has stuck residents there with hectares of ugly wind farms?

We’ve already destroyed our best farmland and most beautiful countryside with those ugly monstrosities. What’s another gas plant on top of that?

It was just that mindset that cost the Liberals all their rural seats. Now they’ve appointed Kathleen Wynne – a downtown Toronto, urban MPP if ever I saw one – to mend fences in rural Ontario.

Cities needs the power – and rural Ontario is paying the price.

Urban Ontario sucks up the juice while the countryside gets stuck with windfarms and power plants.

The political power of the cities means things can only get worse.

The Nimbys want it all. The want to sip their lattes – but have the rest of the province generate the electricity to run the coffee machines.

Generating electricity far from where it’s needed makes the system even less efficient. One of the weakest links in our electricity supply is the antiquated grid, which needs billions of dollars in upgrades and refurbishments.

Stick the power plants where they’re out of sight and out of mind of a majority of voters – and you’ll have to rely even more on those bad hydro lines.

One ice storm and there’ll be an ocean of frosted lattes. And even frostier latte-lovers.

Where’s Bentley going to site the Mississauga and Oakville plants, pray tell?

Northern Ontario? The Bruce Peninsula? Muskoka?

Have some courage, minister.

Power systems should be designed based on rational thought – not on political expediency.

Sure, you don’t place a gas-powered plant next to a school. But sometimes, you have to do the right thing and put it close to a residential area.

As it is, both the Mississauga and Oakville plants were money down the drain – and no power to show for it.

For shame.

34 thoughts on “Blizzard: Rural Ontario paying a high price

  1. What happened to our save the world windmills?

    Total demand: 18234 MW (8:00 PM EDT – Oct. 27, 2011) **
    Total generation: 19691 MW (Oct. 27 – 19:00-20:00) **
    Excess generation: 1457 MW **
    WIND generation: 70 MW: 0.4% of demand, 0.4% of generation, 4.8% of excess generation

    I doubt if the people of Mississauga will ever realize that the natural gas power plants are part of the windmill scam. Backup generators for the (lack of) wind.

  2. “One of the weakest links in our electricity supply, is the antiquated grid, which needs billions of dollars in upgrades and refurbishments”.
    According to the full page advertisements by the Ontario Power Workers Union, before the election, our grid is actually in good condition, and only needs all this work Christine speaks of, to accomadate the new turbines, which sends power from the opposite end, that the grid was built for.
    It was built for power being sent from the large generators outwards, meaning large cables to begin with getting smaller as they go farther. Turbines now require the opposite.
    So all this grid work is only required due to turbines, not because it`s antiquated & or run down by the Harris P.C.s. It`s a Turbine expense period, no matter how the Liberals want to spin it!

    • We learned recently–from a power worker–that not only is refurbishment required soley to accommodate wind, the net result will be that the uneven supply of power to the grid from wind (which spikes) has the added possibility of actually damaging the grid.
      Added transmission=$$$ Repairs=$$$

      We pay, they profit.

      • …like what happenned in Ridgetown back in March and April. A power surge that caused a black-out from Highgate 10 km over to Ridgetown. Damage to property owners may well exceed $100,000. No investigatio called. The adjuster for Hydro denied claims stating, “…high winds with gusts to 57 km/h …It is more than likely these high winds had caused the switches to open…. this incident is beyond the company’s control…Hydro One Inc. is not liable for the loss.”
        – 57 knm/h???

    • Douglas

      Thanks for explaining the grid and wind turbines. Perhaps that is the political road to go down. The PC Energy Critic should bring that point out in question period to the new Minister of Energy. This should absolutely be a serious debate.

      Just maybe the inteligent people from Toronto might start to listen and ask the tough questions to the McGuinty Minority Government.

      How can they justify co$t?

      • Yes Richard Sandor and friends from the defunct Chicago Carbon Exchange have set up shop in Montreal at the Montreal Climate Exchange
        Mr. Sandor is given the name “the father of the Carbon Tax.”..
        So we are being groomed and signed on to paying for air.
        Now IWTs ties in here because they are a means to make money and lower emissions numbers by investing in wind or solar and allow global corporations to hang on to their carbon certificates until they have higher value , sell them etc. So as more industries realize that this entire system is nothing more than global corporate welfare that you subsidize the more come ot in favour of protecting the environment.
        Please teach your children to never accept what they are told and always take information with a grain of salt until they research it themselves.

    • There is nothing wrong with the state of our grid , and we have always had enough power.
      The entire Liberal Energy direction has been built on Fabrications and Falsehoods.
      Even now there are PR lobby groups putting the fear of god into people about blackouts.
      Blackouts which were caused by a PRIVATE power company in Ohio that did not maintain the hydro lines..didn’t trim tree branches , and the entire grid system went down.
      It had nothing to do with lack of power or the state of our well maintained grid system.
      Hydro One employees , and I know many are one of the finest you can get.
      Despite the intense pressure to make people believe there are inefficient overpayed union workers.
      You get up at 3 in the morning in gale force winter winds at 20 below , stand on hoist and begin refastening lines so someone can wake up to a pot of hot coffee.
      Everything PR’d today about electricity is for the most part is a big fat LIE.
      We really need to piece the puzzle together for people because this PR Lobby nonsense must end and laws must be put in place to end the manipulation in media being used.

    • One of the weakest links in our energy system is the fact that people don’t understand they are being lied to .
      It is completely fals that our grid is in bad shape. Just as it completely fals that we have a shortage of power for the future.
      It is also completely false that we have this short time frame to rebuild a system that is still fine for at least 25 years.
      They are not falling apart and to add to that our power consumption is dropping , mainly due to the declining economy in Ontario and in part through conservation.
      Industry uses 70% of electricity Homeowners use 30%.
      So unless we importing a Billion people from other countries in the next few years we are covered.
      And if we are then everything we have ever heard regarding environmnetal issues has then proven to be a LIE as well.

  3. LIBERAL A-holes!
    “This Mississauga power plant is supposed to have been cancelled by Dalton McGuinty during the election campaign. It’s now 18 days later and the plant is (continuing) to be built. In fact, this is the most expensive component of what’s probably a $300-$400 million project,” Hudak told reporters.
    Newly appointed energy minister Chris Bentley released a statement saying the government is committed to “relocating the natural gas plant originally planned for Mississauga.
    “The government will work with the company to find a suitable location for this plant. More information will become available as discussions progress.”

    That makes it sound as if some giant crane will come along, pluck it up in one piece from the residential area where it’s now located and plunk it down in a field close to nowhere.

    That’s not going to happen. The plant was well on its way to completion. Changing plans now will cost hundreds of millions of dollars – a disgraceful waste of time and money.

    And where will they put it?

    Do we foist it on rural Ontario – the way the government has stuck residents there with hectares of ugly wind farms?

    We’ve already destroyed our best farmland and most beautiful countryside with those ugly monstrosities. What’s another gas plant on top of that?

    It was just that mindset that cost the Liberals all their rural seats. Now they’ve appointed Kathleen Wynne – a downtown Toronto, urban MPP if ever I saw one – to mend fences in rural Ontario.

    Cities needs the power – and rural Ontario is paying the price.

    Urban Ontario sucks up the juice while the countryside gets stuck with windfarms and power plants.

    The political power of the cities means things can only get worse.

    The Nimbys want it all. The want to sip their lattes – but have the rest of the province generate the electricity to run the coffee machines.

    Generating electricity far from where it’s needed makes the system even less efficient. One of the weakest links in our electricity supply is the antiquated grid, which needs billions of dollars in upgrades and refurbishments.

    Stick the power plants where they’re out of sight and out of mind of a majority of voters – and you’ll have to rely even more on those bad hydro lines.

    One ice storm and there’ll be an ocean of frosted lattes. And even frostier latte-lovers.

    Where’s Bentley going to site the Mississauga and Oakville plants, pray tell?

    Northern Ontario? The Bruce Peninsula? Muskoka?

    Have some courage, minister.

  4. The Smart Grid will be coming down the pipes, to justify WIND, SOLAR and GREEN JOB$!

    Mega Bucks!!

  5. The solar panel issue will soon resolve itself as newer technology is already here and China owns the present solar panel market. And it won’t be very long before the future of electric vehicles is known. Ordinary people can’t afford throw away vehicles. So likely these two “green” technologies promoted by the present government will be resolved by world market forces. This leaves IWT issues to be dealt with in Ontario.

  6. This misrepresentation, fibbing and lying has to stop. It’s an almost daily event now in the green energy business, word-wide too. The prime minister of Australia, having promised in the last election not to introduce a carbon tax, does just that while blaming her Green Party partners in government for “forcing her hand”. McGuinty goes for a photo-op at a solar panel manufacturing plant that’s laid off its workers, but everything is fake and put on just for the photo-op. He then cancels a natural gas powered generating station in Missisauga just days before the election, the trick works, the Liberal is elected…and construction continues unabated as if nothing had happened, except the big lie of course.

    In a Liberal election ad, the premier claims that Ontario has created more jobs recently than all of the U.S. It’s technically true because the U.S. has not created a single job in the specified period.But it’s a lie too, isn’t it. And so it goes: no health effects, no property value decrease, no problems with the grid. Of course we are saving mother earth from armageddon, CO2 is poison and yes, David Suzuki is god.How does it stop?

    Obviously the election didn’t stop it. The media seem to be waking up slowly, but they are so poorly informed and oh so polite when facing outright liars. I suggest that we need a recall mechanism, just as they have in British Columbia. Lie to us too egregiously and we collect enough signatures to get a chance to vote you out . We get a chance to recall legislation which you introduced after you campaigned against it. Lots of jurisdictions have it and it’s not a stretch to suggest that, had we had this in Ontario a few years ago, Dalton McGuinty would have been history some time ago.

  7. Can you use a smigin of your investigative skill and determine hoax or not. This would just shut down the wind terrorists and just about all the other ones also.
    http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/

    Rob: It’s a hoax, last time it was endless power from sea water or something like that

    A Tempest in a Test Tube, 10 Years Later
    http://partners.nytimes.com/library/national/science/032399sci-cold-fusion.html
    ‘Incompetence and Delusion’
    Dr. Steven E. Koonin of Caltech called the Utah report a result of “the incompetence and delusion of Pons and Fleischmann.” The audience of scientists sat in stunned silence for a moment before bursting into applause.

  8. More here…

    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/29/rossi-success

    Against all the odds, Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat cold fusion power plant passed its biggest test yesterday, producing an average of 470 kilowatts for more than five hours. (A technical glitch prevented it from achieving a megawatt as originally planned). The demonstration was monitored closely by engineers from Rossi’s mysterious US customer, which was evidently satisfied and paid up.

  9. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. We feel good when we post here and the same people read it, but the people that need to know,urban Torontonions, don’t read this site.

    Send you comments to you local papers as well as here and get the word out to everyone. That’s the only way we can get change.

    • Hello Nipcat

      We do it all here, email, tweet, politicians and newspapers…..have any other suggestions. In case you are not aware, there is an active mainsteam media campaign against the majority of rural residents that are against the idea of wind turbines for a host of reasons. Thank goodness for Sun TV and Sun newspapers since the bend over and take McGuinty lies star chain does not help us. These posts are an important exchange of information between residents who are opposed so they can take the fight to their corner of Ontario. Hopefully with the showing of Windfall on CBC next week there will be another breakthrough for the cause. For the first time maybe our 1.1 billion dollar subsidy to CBC may help us to educate urbanites of this grave injustice to all Ontario.

      • Perhaps there is a way to publicize Windfall so those in the city will be interested in watching it. I am afraid that the way it is now few in the city will bother to tune in.

        Secondly, it appears that it is only available on CBC Documentary channel. Is it common for everyone to receive that channel? We had to pay extra to arrange to receive that channel. We consider it well worth the extra money but will people in the city go to any effort to receive it?

        The challenge is to create a way to make the urbanites want to watch Windfall.

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