Toxic smoke billows out. Flaming debris flying large distances. Staff evacuated.

The Ontario government has no fire fighting plan in place.  The Ontario government wants to site these 550 meters or less from your home.  You will be left to your own devices to protect your home and land.

13 thoughts on “Toxic smoke billows out. Flaming debris flying large distances. Staff evacuated.

  1. Interesting to note a comments on the Turbine fire:

    They might claim that specific wind turbine had an excellent record, but it’s not true in general. over 100 have caught fire in the past decade alone (at least 8 between January and September of this year). At least one has caused a massive forest fire (in Australia it burnt out a national park. Another fire in Australia last year ended with an article about it, including comments from the fire service that noted there’s nothing that can be done about hem. They can’t use water to put out the fire (because of the electricity) at best they can put out the spreading embers. But they also can’t get too close, because debris sheds off them, even blades, which can go through a roof a mile away, as has been discovered in Germany. And when it gets icy? They can throw ice up to 2 miles, so don’t get close at all! Explains why they’ve caused 80 injuries and 70 deaths in the last 10 years alone. How many did Fukushima kill? oh yeah, NONE.
    – Andrew Norton, Liverpool, UK, 10/12/2011

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2071633/UK-weather-Wind-turbine-EXPLODES-hurricane-force-gusts-batter-Northern-Britain.html#ixzz1gFfO5dQP

    • Dear Karen, would you provide references for the wind turbine causing a massive forest fire (we say “bushfire”) in Australia? As a resident of that country who follows news about wind turbines very carefully I’m very interested as your claim is the first I’ve heard of it. It’s true that turbine fires are hard to put out (which is why some more modern designs have automatic fire suppression systems). The main reason is due to the height of the nacelle where the fire is likely to occur. As to Fukushima, three workers died in the plant accident, not counting any future deaths caused by the release of radioactive waste. Given you can’t even get that right, it gives me grave fears that your other facts may also be an excercise in creative writing.
      Ben Courtice
      Friends of the Earth, Melbourne

  2. Here is a suggestions all Municipalities ask and require to address in regard to emergency response systems as well as other hazards:

    Emergency Response
    Systems have not been elaborated upon for emergency response, especially at high elevation. The local fire and rescue departments have no equipment available for reaching heights of 100 metres. Warnings have been issued by several communities that in the case of fire or other accident, there is not the equipment available to assist in combating a fire or to effect rescue at height.
    Will you provide our council with a valid service contract (in effect for the life of the structure with certified copies of renewals forwarded to the Municipality one month prior to their taking effect) with a high angle rescue service provider (certified by a self-regulating organization formed under the direction and regulation of a federal or provincial agency according to its approved standards maintained throughout the life of the structure) who will respond to any and all emergencies that may occur at the proposed structures including high angle rescue. The contract shall state the response time for the rescue service provider to arrive at the location of the structures within the proposed industrial wind turbine development.
    What insurance is carried in the case of property damage or injury to persons other than contractual employees, i.e. residents’ property or person(s)?
    OPERATIONS AND OTHER POTENTIAL HEALTH AND SAFETY HAZARDS
    Will you provide us with a list of any and all hazardous material(s) that may be contained within or be part of the construction of the proposed wind turbines, along with Material Safety Data Sheets for such identified hazardous materials?
    Will you provide a bond to our Municipality to cover the total cost of any response required by a Chief Fire Official to a high angle rescue response by your contracted high angle rescue service provider which may require the assistance of the local Chief Fire Official?

    We asked this of Pattern/Samsung, developers of the Armow Project.

  3. Always good to hear from a scouser!:) sorry to see what they did to mersyside….AND your country.
    Thanks for the input.

  4. Maybe some one can clarify this , but aren’t these turbines subject to the same safety standards as other workplaces and should have a fire suppression system [ ie. sprinklers ] in place? Doesn’t the local fire official have to sign off on this ?

    • Water isn’t much good for knocking down a turbine fire and sprinkler systems 30 stories up require high pressure water lines which are hard to come by in rural areas.

      • My point exactly. However it’s still an industrial workplace that should still adhere to fire code provisions as elsewhere.

  5. Don’t forget the interior of a wind turbine is also considered a “confined space” in the industrial sense of use. (Think “silo gases” in agriculture as an example) Wind technicians should trained, certified and equipped with the appropriate safety equipment to work within the interior of the turbine mast and nacelle. Will the first responders have the necessary equipment to enter the turbine for high level rescues? Still waiting for a complete answer on this thought.

  6. Dear Ben Courtice:
    Perhaps you should address your comment to Andrew Norton from the UK. You will note this is not MY comment. Yes, guilty of not vetting his comment before posting it. In doing a little research on the question of how many Fukushima deaths, here is a report:
    “The correct, but rarely seen answer is five: one man who became trapped in the console of a crane during the earthquake, two who were swept away by the tsunami and a clean up worker who suffered from a heart attack. Another man reportedly died suddenly in October. Although the company is not revealing the cause of death, they say it was not related to radiation. The entire toll from the earthquake and tsunami, remember, is estimated to be in the region of 20,000.”
    This came from: http://asiancorrespondent.com/53036/the-fukushima-death-toll/

    As to the item regarding a turbine fire here is one:
    “A $6 MILLION wind turbine has caught fire near Port Lincoln, starting blazes on the ground as embers fall.
    The fire, at the Cathedral Rocks Wind Farm about 30km southwest of the town, was first noticed by a boat about 1am.
    The turbine is alight halfway up its 60m structure, making it difficult for the 14 Country Fire Service firefighters trying to deal with it to extinguish the blaze.
    They are also busy controlling the spotfires, but consider the situation to be safe.
    The cause of the blaze is as yet unknown.”

    Perhaps Mr. Norton read this report from: http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2011/06/29/forest-fires-and-wind-turbines-the-danger-no-one-is-talking-about-2/

    “Similarly, media references to 43 turbine fires, mostly in the U.S. and Europe, merely state “no details.” Many references do contain brief statements, such as that 22 fires were caused by lightning strikes, but again, no references to those fires spreading far from the sites. Only 25 of the reports mention that turbine fires had spread to fields and forests.
    In California, one such fire burned 68 acres, another 220 acres, and in Palm Springs several “spot fires” had been generated in surrounding areas. In Hawaii, 95 acres were burned. Australia lost 80,000 acres of forests located mostly in a national park. Spain lost nearly 200 acres from one fire. A comment on a German fire mentioned that “burning debris” from a turbine had traveled several hundred meters from the site. In Holland, three burning blades from a mere 270-foot tower cast a 50-foot flaming shard 220 feet from the site.
    The most dramatic report emanated from Wales where “great balls of fire” landed more than 150 yards away, causing a hillside to burn. Fearing more forest fires, an Australian province enacted a law banning placements of wind towers near wooded areas. Yet, in heavily forested Maine, all of our wind power sites have been approved without even considering that turbines have often caused forest fires.”

    In any case I do not appreciate your attributing Mr. Norton’s comments to me, but do apologize for the re-distribution of a comment without checking the source.

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