Mild winter forces Ontario to divert power at a huge loss

by Paul Bliss, CTV  WATCH VIDEO
Ontario has been forced to divert large amounts of power and pay millions of dollars to bordering states as the warmer than usual winter weather has left the province with a glut of electricity. In the past two months Ontario faced more than a dozen days in which it was forced to pay the U.S. as well as some provinces $1.1 million dollars to take its surplus power off the Canadian grids after it produced more than was consumed on those days.  “You’re definitely paying for somebody else,” Energy expert Tom Adams, told CTV’s Queen’s Park bureau chief Paul Bliss. “We have to get rid of it. It’s a disposal problem and sometimes our neighbours need to get paid in order to take custody.”

Adams blames wind energy for the surplus. After all, when the wind blows cannot be controlled, so the turbines often flood the system with power that is not needed.

And the glut of power is raising important questions among the province’s politicians about the future of Ontario’s energy.

“It makes it very difficult to make an argument that we should be rebuilding or refurbishing our power plants,” said New Democrat MPP Peter Tabuns.

16 thoughts on “Mild winter forces Ontario to divert power at a huge loss

  1. “it very difficult to make an argument that we should be rebuilding or refurbishing our power plants,”

    Eco loons will not face the facts; he thinks we should continue to shut down reliable and controllable sources of power rather than the unpredictable windmills which are causing the problem. I wonder what it will take to make these people admit their blunder.

    • The eco-loons,developers and politicians are now in so deep with IWT negative issues that there is almost no way out for them No one stopped to look at what the long term consequences of installing IWTs would be. These proponents of IWTs can’t afford to admit their blunders. Just the financial losses alone willl be staggering and says nothing about the health & social costs of this folly.

  2. Tabuns, with all the manufacturing jobs fleeing this Province, needing more power production is definitely not necessary. Smart metres are pointless. Ontario has a nonsensical electrical grid.
    Dalton McGuinty is like the movie “The Wrestler”. Doomed to die in his own failure.

  3. The Auditor General analysed net exports and pricing data from the IESO and estimated that from 2005 – 2011 Ontario received $1.8 billion less for its surplus electricity exports than what it actually cost ratepayers. So this is just more of the same.

    And if you go to the IESO website, you can see it is happening today. Another day … another few million dollars down the drain from operating wind turbines … another wind farm approved … yawn …

  4. Go to the
    News.ontario.ca
    Or just google ontario electricity export
    They boast how much they made in sales. Nothing mentioned how much the electricity cost to produce. All as expected from the provincial site

  5. Tabuns is the last politican you could take seriously for comment on energy matters. We know where his money lies and hence why he needs to lie to the public.

  6. There is a group of people in Ontario who believe that conventional electric power can be replaced by renewable energy like wind and solar if enough of these energy sources are installed. Nothing else matters. Dosen’t matter if renewable enrgy works or not as long as some believe this will work. These are the very same people who are imposing IWTs onto rural Ontarians.
    Some are in this for money and others because of their ideology.

    • Yes, most people just don’t understand. They’ve watched David Suzuki on TV and read his columns in the papers and therefore feel all warm and fuzzy inside when they drive by a wind turbine. Most people don’t have the time or the personal knowledge or the potential personal impact to motivate them to check things out for themselves.

      The mainstream media are generally lazy and take the easy way out. Following up on the Auditor General’s report, for example, would require some reporters to work hard and ask questions and pursue issues that run contrary to the Suzuki orthodoxy which their bosses have all bought into hook, line and sinker. I don’t quote the Bible very often, and I don’t excuse the mainstream media for this, but there is an appropriate quotation in the King James version that applies: “It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks” (Acts chapter 9, verse 5).

      The Premier and the Minister of Energy aren’t completely brainless, so my guess is that they are either surrounded by greentard sycophants or are willfully blind, being dug in so deep that they don’t want to know the truth. They’re like 3-year old kids who believe that, if they close their eyes and wish really, really hard, it will come true.

      • No Trevor, it’s by design:
        http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Maurice_Strong

        If we don’t change, our species will not survive… Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse.
        – Maurice Strong, September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine

        What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment. Will they do it? The group’s conclusion is ‘no’. The rich countries won’t do it. They won’t change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?
        – Maurice Strong, Interview 1992, concerning the plot of a book he would like to write

  7. … and wait until we have much more wind, not just the 1,700 MW or so we have now.

    It’ll be even more of a financial blood bath, including the amounts paid to wind generators when they’re paid to not run — not to mention the general integration issues.

    At least one piece of anecdotal evidence I’ve heard suggests system operators love wind — as the operating challenges it introduces helps keep them employed. Makes sense to me.

    • Bruce, You’re right — it’s going to get worse both from an operational perspective and in terms of bazillions of dollars wasted. However, I KNOW that system operators don’t feel that way (I was involved in electricity system operation in a former life). They would have lots to do without having to find ways to keep the system secure and manage around the bizarre system configuration being created by the Green Energy Act and FIT.

      • OK … guess that was a bit of unnecessary hyperbole. The story I heard indicated this was said by an ISO (not IESO) employee who was in fact a lawyer. Enough said.

        I will say that based at least on what is NOT being said in public by the likes of Paul Murphy, the IESO appears to be putting up NO public opposition to this horrific policy that is driving the addition of obscene amounts of renewables to Ontario’s supply.

      • I’d like to think that Murphy has at least had “frank” discussions with the Premier and the Minister of Energy — if not, then in my opinion he isn’t doing what Ontarians are paying him to do. Murphy did publicly talk about some of the short-term problems (reported here a couple of weeks ago) and made it clear that there are also long-term implications.

        I think Barbara’s earlier comment is right — McGuinty is dug in so deep on IWTs that there is no graceful way out for him, which means that his best alternative at the moment is to “stay the course” while hoping for some kind of miracle. He has presided over what will go down as the biggest and most expensive blunder in the history of Ontario, and it was entirely foreseeable.

      • Trevor,

        Agree. Pre-election, I was prepared to cut Dal-ton some slack if he came relatively clean … but obviously he would have seen that as a much bigger vote-loser.

        You seem familar with the Ontario electricity landscape. Can you imagine the stink Dave Goulding would be raising, if he were still at the helm of the IESO ? I’d pay to see it.

        As for Paul Murphy, he still spends most of his time cheerleading. Maybe when the crap really hits the fan (assuming he hasn’t ridden off into his incredibly rosey sunset) he’ll be a little more publically forthright.

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