Hagersville Hearing- May 4th (Part 2)

by Harvey Wrightman —
It was a relief to have Eric Gillespie take the floor – Ms. Harris, the MOE layer, dressed-down in a smock and designer jeans, acted more like a student presenting a paper that needed more polish and irritated by the master’s remarks.

With Eric, we were back to analysis and logic.

He pointed out that it’s rather premature to consider dismissal of this action when there has only been one decision, Kent Breeze, which did establish the concept that wind turbines can cause serious health effects. He went on to say that even Dr. Leventhall has accepted all the symptoms of WTS (Wind Turbine Syndrome) as stated by Dr. Pierpont. The argument now is only how much separation between man and machine is required and what percentage of the population may be affected – somewhere in a range of 5% – 30%. The current state of scientific investigation does not specify what causes the malady; but, we know noise, EMF, light flicker are involved. The evidence that has been presented is as much as science allows, so far.

However, one can say that irrespective of:

1) the make or model of wind turbine
2) the number of wind turbines in a project
3) the type of receptor; i.e., whether young or old, educated or not, whatever the occupation
4) whether the topography is flat or rolling

…you still see the “effects” that Dr. Leventhall happily accepts as caused by Industrial Wind Turbines (IWT’s).

Perhaps, since there are effects from previous wind projects, the MOE should speak about that to us; and, the MOE should provide both the predictive noise modeling for those projects and the post-construction noise testing (the little that they actually have.)

Instead the MOE and NextEra are seeking from us (the appellant), 10 years’ worth of victim medical records, most of which are not pertinent to the investigation. It’s not surprising that the appellant has not procured all this evidence as such evidence is not needed to make the appellant’s case, because:

– the vast majority of “effects” are subjective – only the patient can describe them.
– there are no tests for nausea or the degree of nausea experienced
– there are no tests for dizziness
– Explanations can be suggested, but exact causes can be unknown.
– basically, the patient is the most sensitive measuring instrument available.

So far, the recognized experts in this field are non-medical: Dr. Leventhall is an acoustical engineer. Dr. Thorne is a psycho-acoustician. The regulator (MOE) has not relied on medical science for its decisions on regulations, and the wind companies haven’t used medical science for design or for operating protocols. The question is then:

Why all the sudden interest in patient medical records when no medical studies were ever used in development? You can’t have it both ways.

Mr. Gillespie went on to state that medical records that are relevant to the case are available. What the appellant won’t provide is the huge amount (10 years) of unuseful detail that the MOE and NextEra want. He went on to say that the Courts long ago developed a way to handle such requests – relevancy – the request must meet the standard of relevancy. If it doesn’t, then the asking party pays for the research. That soon puts an end to what is euphemistically called, “fishing expeditions.” And when he said that I could detect smirks and face coloration of the lawyers on the other side of the room. They knew very well what they were doing, and now they were being called on it. As Mr. Gillespie said, the ERT doesn’t have to copy the exact same rules as the Court, but the same principles should apply. Each party pays for its own case.

The problem with medical records is the examinations of patients and what it reveals. There are very few medical experts for what is known as “wind turbine syndrome” or WTS. The average GP doesn’t have the experience and even the Chief Medical Officer of Health admitted, under oath, that only direct health effects (hearing loss) were considered in her report. Nothing about effects through secondary pathways.

Comically and sadly our pool of experts consists of:

1) the subject/witnesses (that makes sense) and
2) the few acknowledged expert witnesses such as Dr’s Leventhall, Thorne and McCunney who will review and analyze the subject/witness testimony in this case.

These people are all available and the relevant medical records are too. Mr. Gillespie concluded saying, it’s only the unreasonable demands of the MOE and NextEra that stands in the way. The appellant is ready.

In reply, Ms. Harris weakly restated that the appellant must come to an appeal with all the medical records on hand – or, said another way, the appellant must be able to read the MOE counsel’s mind.

Next up, Bill Monture

Please support these appeals:

Haldimand Appeal

Mapleton Appeal

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7 Responses to Hagersville Hearing- May 4th (Part 2)

  1. bbaurora says:

    “The current state of scientific investigation does not specify what causes the malady; but, we know noise, EMF, light flicker are involved.” … How lame is the scientific community to not be able to concur on the cause of these health effects? Can’t specialists from different disciplines put their collective heads together and admit that these monsterous turbine blades are creating substantial ongoing rythmic turbulence of air pressure (also known as infrasound), which negatively impact the vascular systems of living bodies .. everything from the tiny lungs of bats to the larger organs of humans? No! Everyone seems scared of being censured and loosing their financial security!

  2. “Ms. Harris, the MOE layer, dressed-down in a smock and designer jeans”

    That’s her way of attempting to fit in – she assumes she dealing with country folk who will like her if she dresses casually instead of professionally. Kind of sad. She probably joined the MOE with idealistic pretensions of saving the environment, now she’s arguing for the destruction of the natural world on behalf of energy companies.
    Meanwhile, James Lovelock, creator of the Gaia hypothesis, stated last week his earlier predictions about global warming were “alarmist” and that we just don’t know enough about the environment to predict climate change. His earlier pronouncement on this topic practically started the whole movement, now he’s retracting it. Who knows, decades from now, governments may figure this out..

  3. barbara says:

    Climate change is NOT revelant to IWT issues anyway as IWTs don’t reduce greenhouse gas emissions due to the backup fossil fuel needed when the wind dosen’t blow. Don’t get drawn into moot climate change issues that don’t apply to this situation anyway. Proponents of IWTs keep using these false arguments to promote IWTs. Don’t let them get away with this.

    • barbara says:

      When it comes to IWTs it dosen’t matter if one believes that the climate is getting warmer,cooler or staying the same. The stated arguments are that the use of IWTs & solar panels will reduce greenehose gas emissions and reduce reliance on fossil fuels. Neither of which is true. So false supporting arguments as to how good IWTs & solar are for planet earth must be presented to the public inorder to put this scam over on the people.
      The use of IWTs does cause health problems,safety issues, damage to the environment,wildlife and energy poverty. All of these are very relavent IWT public issues.

  4. Gears says:

    If Ontario’s population suddenly moved to the moon (as opposed to outright disappear), and not one single watt of electricity is generated in Ontario ever again (by any means)…it wouldn’t make any difference whatsoever to climate change…in whatever scale or alarmist level someone wants to assign to it.

  5. Sick Turbines says:

    “The MOE should provide both the predictive noise modeling for those projects and the post-construction noise testing (the little that they actually have.)”
    I think all of Ontario would like to see what kind of scrutiny our Government is doing in serving it’s citizens, since they claim to have our interests at heart. Lets see if they have anything to report.

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