I just read this article about wind turbines and infrasound in my local paper.An engineer in partnership with another engineer/doctor thinks maybe some people are “sensitive” to infrasound and that’s why wind turbines bother them. They talk about collecting DNA from these individuals to see what it is that makes them more sensitive.
And once again the “victims” (I simply cannot find a more appropriate description) of this wind turbine mess are to blame for the ills they suffer. They’ve been accused of having psychosomatic symptoms, attitudinal problems, NIMBYism, whatever is flavour of the month. It doesn’t matter that small children and animals, unable to have an “attitude”, are affected too and that people whose families have lived peacefully for generations in their homes ahave been forced to leave.
Let me cut to the chase and save the taxpayers a lot of time and a lot of funding for another university research “experiment” on wind turbines.
At a recent wind turbine company open house, a “health consultant” they had hired insisted to me that the infrasound from wind turbines was no different than that from waves crashing on the beach or from traffic. Let it be known that I have spent many a day and night on a tropical beach enjoying the sound of waves crashing on the shore. I have spent many a day and night at the cottage listening to waves, natural and motorcraft wake induced, crashing on the rocks. I have lived on a 4 lane highway in a city. None of these things kept me awake or drove me to leave my accommodations.
Wind turbines are 400+ feet tall, are mechanically driven and are ‘directed’ at houses. Some houses get hit and some houses do not. Infrasound from wind turbines has been measured by acousticians. It exists. There is ground work done. Common complaints are of vibration, headaches, nausea, chest and head pressure etc. Is it “infrasound” or is it “low frequency vibration”? Technically I don’t know but I will bet a c-note that these professionals are not living in areas impacted by the cumulative effect of multiple wind turbines and electrical sub-stations placed way too close to their families and pets.
Will these newly surfaced engineers like DNA samples from the other people who felt symptoms and left with headaches after visiting affected homes? Would they like DNA samples of the people who have audibly heard homes vibrating?
Ministry of Environment field officers were writing a formal document reporting to their superiors at the Ministry’s Toronto office that people were getting sick and some abandoning their homes and that this needed to be addressed. They commented on the vibration. They also suggested that audible sound levels be reduced to 30 -32 decibels to lessen the impact on families. I found this out through a costly and proceduraly frustrating freedom of information request. I also found out that those documents were shelved and no action was taken.
In 2009, the Green Energy Act was rammed through the legislature with lightning speed, no due diligence, no mitigation of the already major problems being experienced and ever since, the people who are being assaulted by the noise and vibration have been routinely humiliated and demeaned by so-called professionals and their work. I would never have dreamed that so many licensed professionals would compromise their integrity to fall in line with a blatantly harmful policy that is destroying lives around the globe.
McGuinty’s green dream has big gaping holes and from my extensive “expert” experience, they’ll try anything to keep those subsidies afloat, even testing the DNA of “sensitive” people.
Barbara Ashbee
Mono Ontario
To me such work should be viewed in a positive light. The industry, and senior government bureaucrats, will always argue that since it only affects a few people, those people must be jealous neighbours, cranks or crackpots.
But it should be expected that only a few may be affected. Here is a quote from one of my letters to local newspapers a few years ago:
“….The generation and propagation of aerodynamic noise is a very complex subject. What reaches a dwelling will depend on many factors. Primary factors would include the Turbine output, atmospheric conditions, the geometric array of turbines and how their contributions combine at a specific dwelling. The penetration of the aerodynamic noise into the dwelling is also a complex issue. It will depend upon the plan view of the dwelling, its azimuthal orientation relative to the propagating noise field, and its construction details. To top this off, whether it’s a problem depends upon the legitimate sensitivity of a specific resident….”
So in fact the DNA theme could provide part of the explanation as to why some are affected and others aren’t , i.e the “legitimate sensitivity” noted above,
A footnote added here after seeing so many responses that are very negative on this, and very negative and disrespectful on the involvement of Engineers:
Dr Novak said in part: “…We’re doing extensive measurements and getting a better understanding of the noise propagation characteristics,”
Wake up folks. This work is doing something that will help your case and our cause. You should be appreciative of having competent open-minded Engineers (one of whom is an MD) tackling this.
Who knows, they might even find that the offending sub-audible discrete-frequency tonal sound is actually generated not by the blades, but by periodic unsteady flow around the Towers, i.e. like a singing wire, or the spar on your sailboat etc. I wouldn’t bet against it!
RTH PhD, PEng (retired)
Ron you raise some excellent points. First let’s look here:
Novak, an expert in noise vibration and harshness and psychoacoustics has partnered with fellow engineer Dr. Setsuo Maeda, from the Japanese National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, who is also a medical doctor, to study the possibility that DNA can predict a person’s vulnerability to infrasound, a low frequency and inaudible noise, emitted from wind turbines.
Are you willing to help Dr. Maeda obtain his medical certification in Canada? If not — do you know someone who will?
What steps would he have to take to be considered an Engineer in Canada — Ontario in particular. Need he sit the PEO exams? Does he have to article (intern) here to get the Stamp?
These guys seem pretty confident something is happening. If so do they have a duty to report? Even if they do insist they know nothing and have no conclusions — not really anyway. Why this fuss if they have no data? If they have nothing to report and no data why did the CBC interview take 7:49 ???? I have been there — it took me ten seconds for pleasantries and the report presentation.
Neither of them seem to have done a paper on a project of this size.
I have a great deal of respect behind B&K and Vestas — who are the companies (or it might seem so) behind this study. They certainly have the bucks to back it. What would they back though? Is there a vested interest in a particular outcome.
Now clearly you must have run research projects here in Canada — perhaps others have too. Maybe there are points for — and maybe some against. It is up to them to put their research plan forward. So far — no plan — just these interviews.
So how will Dr. Maeda be able to guarantee that he will be able to observe confidentiality? Could he return to Japan with a copy of the data and do what he wishes?
If patents came out of this — where would the benefits accrue?
Maybe you can help us out and give us some confidence here.
Me I’m just a guy who never finished my high school (an ejectee) who has a few questions — But where are the answers?
Any thoughts on those points?
If you could look at it from a birds eye view of this whole mess with IWT is that they are totally useless destructive junk sitting around costing us billions of our own energy to keep them afloat. it does not matter anymore even what these guys may find out. We just keep throwing energy away and I am talking our energy not theirs. We need to put these turbines to rest for the good of all the people as we are all losing in these dam projects that one dictator is hell bent on.
I would welcome DNA testing, as a Fibromyalgia patient of 20 years I heeded my Dr.s advice and left Milwaukee’s noise and moved to the country, had exactly what the Doctor ordered for ten years then guess what. Footprint of 88 400′ and I’m just stubborn enough I refuse to be run out of my home, I’m standing and fighting. I FEEL the vibrations, both I and my teenage son are on Med’s for High Blood Pressure, I all am now perscribed for Sleep, Migraines, and the Fibro, I wasn’t on a single pill before we where invaided. Over 4 years now, we are also pushing for a Health Study!
Please come and take my DNA.. Blue Sky Green Field, Wisconsin.
This sounds like yet another attempt to blame the victims. Even if their hypothesis pans out, what would we do with the information? Use it to restrict turbines? Offer compensation depending on your DNA? Test newborns to see if they’ll be ok? The possibilities are endless and scary.
And all of this monkeying around when we know what the problem is – the turbines! Just quit building them and the problem is solved, eh? It’s not like they produce anything really useful.
Well said, Barbara!
My perception after reading about noise sensitivity and DNA, is that people who have the DNA that makes them sensitive to wind factory noise, have defective DNA. That seems to be implied, but not clearly and specifically stated. Perhaps it is the exact opposite. Perhaps people who are sensitive to wind factory noise and infrasound, are those who have not had their DNA altered. They may have retained the higher acuity to audible sensory stimulation that enabled prehistoric man to detect and elude or defeat predators (fight vs. flight). Hey, we’re here, aren’t we?
I believe the premise should be, that some people have not had their hearing and infrasound perception (middle ear, nerve communiction, and brain function) altered by hereditary evolution, damage by the environment, or whatever. Individuals with that good awareness have an ablility that not everyone shares. Usually it would be a good thing, a skill, a talent, or however you want to categorize it. Unfortunately, that skill is being bombarded by stimulus from man-made sources as a result of wind turbine zealots. That doesn’t mean that individuals, like Barbara, are in any way, negatively unique.
Think statistically for a moment. The distribution of people with varying hearing sensitivity will likely adhere to the typical bell curve. Half the people will be more sensitive than the median, and half will be less. That’s normal in every sense, even if there is some skewing in the shape of the curve.
So who should be tested for DNA analysis? Just those who are sensitive? And what should the study results be compared to? And what is the anticipated result? Is the study free of bias? Are those with very desensitized auditory DNA also being studied?
So, let’s say the study has been done, and the results show that some people are more sensitive because of some difference in DNA. Ok, now it becomes apparent why there is variance. And it would be a nice thing to understand. Now there is knowledge that wasn’t there before. But that knowledge in the hands of the unscrupulous, can be used as a weapon to target individuals as deviant, even though they are completely and statistically normal. This is a dangerous situation and can lead to abuse.
When mankind is stressed, there are fundamental environmental conditions that can give him relief. These are typically found in the environment–sun, sand, wind, water, fire, earth, moon, wildlife such as birds, crickets, and probably others that I’ve not listed. When you take a vacation, where do you go? Florida? Cottage country? Caribbean islands? You find places with those environmental conditions that provide relief from everyday life. I don’t see cottages in the desert. But you will find them in the mountains, forests, seasides etc. Where do you find the nicest campgrounds? Those people who are more stimulated through their enhanced sense of hearing, may indeed be the ones who have a greatest enjoyment of their vacations, and may be the same ones who have found real value in rural living. These are not the locations to erect wind factories.
Lets instead, do a DNA study of those who seek profit from destroying others’ environment, and compare it to those who wish to live in peace within our biosphere, enjoy what it can provide, and not bent on destroying it. The new knowledge might be very interesting!
Well said. I like your alternative DNA study. Perhaps we can find the markers for marxists, socialists and liberals.
Lets instead, do a DNA study of those who seek profit from destroying others’ environment, and compare it to those who wish to live in peace within our biosphere, enjoy what it can provide, and not bent on destroying it. The new knowledge might be very interesting!
My, my my — some of you are so “anti-socialist” and “anti-green”. After all if they are “Wind Executive” are they not Green and Liberal and anti profit? Just askin’…
Hmmmm this is so confusing.
This is going from the sublime to the ridiculous! Now it’s DNA research? What happens if they discover it’s in people’s DNA to not be able to live next to a noise polluting useless piece of crap that does nothing that cause irrational harm to everything and everyone around them? Maybe it’s in everyone’s DNA not to be able to live in an urban environment! What then? Geezuz, get a grip here!
Maybe they could write up their tests and procedures for review. Once we vet these procedures and tests they can prove efficacy by testing themselves, and perhaps buying and living in a house for a year. Their names can be the first in the “National Database of Whatevers”.
Unless they can show us that they have members on staff who can feel the effects reported by others — why would we believe them? So they will have to organize a team with the proper cross-section of participants. The they will have to show us that that they can at least demonstrate correlation — if not proof.
Purchasing a house in the affected area and living in it would be an excellent proof statement of their commitment and would hardly affect the cash position of a well financed study.
Clearly if they have got so far in their measurements that they can make such bold statements they gave done significant work and hardly have need of Health Canada funding — so this should be a straightforward proposition — or so one would think.
If we feel they have done their due diligence — we could call them and ask for a report.
Perhaps they could be rented a house if none are available for purchase — normal rent plus a damage/performance bond should do the trick. They could also sign a formal undertaking to live there “normally” for a year as part of the study.
We can probably work with them — or Dr. Bigelow — if we can just get the terms right.
Any thoughts? Could this make sense?
Personally I think they ought to study the DNA of the gene pool that in QP. Let’s really find out who’s really shy a few markers. The folks who live around the IWTs or the morons that thought the idea up in the first place.
Help!
I do not recall
reading anything that would – lead me to believe
there would be any sort of – ‘DNA collection’.
‘[excerpt] They talk about collecting DNA from these individuals to see what it is that makes them more sensitive.’
Did I miss something?
Engineers suspect DNA to blame for reported turbine ailments
Novak, an expert in noise vibration and harshness and psychoacoustics has partnered with fellow engineer Dr. Setsuo Maeda, from the Japanese National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, who is also a medical doctor, to study the possibility that DNA can predict a person’s vulnerability to infrasound, a low frequency and inaudible noise, emitted from wind turbines.
As part of the study, Novak and Maeda hope to collect DNA from people living near wind farms to help back their hypothesis.
“You have to jump through a lot of hoops with ethics and controls etcetera,” Novak said.
He added finding willing DNA donors is a difficult task.
Psssttt! FT! That missing weekend? Now you know!
Pretty slick collection system. Huh?
Hey WillR,
You’ve missed a huge point Colin Novak made.
it’s huge – humongous
And his timing – is perfect!
Tag – you’re it…………………!
FT:
Pssst — don;t tell people but some are looking to pull down some of that Health Canada funding pork pie! Not that I noticed — BUT! I’m working on a proposal. (And you can take that to the bank.)
Let’s see a typical IWT site is several square Km. You might have lay down a sensor mesh of several sq. km. every 100M in a grid — just to see the “interference patter” — so lets give the job to somebody who’s used to wiring up some sensors over and 8X102X6 ft box — and a crash test dummy or three and ask him to analyze noise patterns over several square kilometers. That he is now working with long wave noise radiation and possesses equipment that probably goes no lower than 20Hz — could that be a problem?
Naww! Admittedly I am speculating — but I do know some questions I would like to see addressed in his research plan — the one nobody appears to have seen.
Exactly! Get funding for a useless study. Even if genetic testing proves for sure that some individuals are more sensitive to IWT “noise” what has been accomplished? Buy some people out or pay people off just to get turbines installed? Proponents of IWTs are desperate to keep this scam going. So cook up as many new schemes as possible to prove IWTs will work and are ok to use.
Hey! All I know about Vertigo:
Is that Alfed Hitchcok has a new set of partners…
Scary — very Scary!
I’m chuckling, WillR. I like your analogy!
Maybe the birds who are being slaughtered have errant DNA – along with the whales who beach themselves, the chickens who lay yolkless eggs, the goats who have miscarriages, and on and on.
I hesitate to resort to sarcasm, so please forgive me.
This is just another way of deflecting rural Ontarians attention away from the important issues involving the damages caused by IWTs. Blame the victims because IWTs are not the cause of health issues. If IWTs weren’t there then these health problems would not be there. Just play for more time to get the IWTs installed.
The fact are IWTs are being installed even as we blog. They are simply being shoved onto the Ontario landscape without regard to any damage to the environment, people’s property, livelihoods or, health. It’s the McGuinty way; don’t bother me with the facts “let’s just get her done”. “Talking to them” or “demonstrating” hasn’t appeared to have stopped any IWTs from being built so far, so what do we think any “so called studies” will do? I my opinion NADA! So, where do you want to go from here? No need to answer, just ranting.
The Ontario Wind Energy Industry(McGuinty lost control of this boondoggle years ago!)state that low frequency noise or in fact any ‘noise’ produced by IWTs doesn’t negatively impact human health so why do we persist again in following red herrings such as proposed DNA testing for ‘victims; when those victims don’t apparently exist?
Anyone have their a/c on tonight? ‘Wind power’ is contributing just 1.7% in Ontario at the moment…!!!
Any engineer suggesting that the engineers who design and build these non-productive junk machines deserve recognition for their work isn’t worth listening to.
We have far more important things to do like knocking down this ‘house of cards’ before it utterly destroys all of rural Ontario ,
Andrew Watts
Urban people need and use more AC than rural folks use due to the UHI effect. It will soon be time to pay for keping cool this summer in the GTA.
They have 1.4 million…..Wind and Renewables Research Centre……….
“Dr. Novak says because wind turbines are now an integral part of the landscape and an important source of future power generation, ongoing research on noise, vibration and efficiency is essential.”
http://www.constructionlinks.ca/story/296028/280/The_University_of_Windsor_establishes_first_Wind_and_Renewable_Energies_Research_Centre_in_North_America_.html
The University of Windsor establishes first Wind and Renewable Energies Research Centre in North America
Centre for Engineering Innovation receives first Industrial Courtyard occupant through a 1.4 million agreement
WINDSOR…The University of Windsor recently announced an agreement with Brüel & Kjær (B&K), the world’s oldest and largest manufacturer and supplier of sound and vibration measurement apparatus, to establish North America’s first Wind and Renewable Energies Centre of Expertise (WRECE) in the Centre for Engineering Innovation.
The agreement will provide 1.4 million in research equipment to UWindsor’s Noise Vibration and Harshness-Sound Quality Group (NVH-SQ), led by Assistant Professor Colin Novak. A graduate level course using the equipment has already been developed and will be taught this summer……….
With just a quick look we find…
http://www.bksv.com/newsevents/waves/waves_2012_issue9/lund.aspx
Swedish laboratory focuses on wind energy
21 Jun 2012
Lund University’s Future Energy Initiative begins with industry and academic experts giving a taste of future research, and a University of Windsor professor shares the benefits already reaped there.
News
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Lund University is located in the southen part of Sweden, near the bridge to Denmark – which is home to some of the world’s leading wind turbine manufacturers
Earlier this year, Lund University opened the doors of its Vibration and Acoustic Laboratory with a wide selection of equipment loaned by Brüel & Kjær, in a sponsorship agreement designed to foster inter-disciplinary research into wind and renewable energies. The hope is to create a hub in the area that can pull investment into sustainable energy, to create a Scandinavian zone of excellence in the field. By bringing together future-focused industry leaders with researchers interested in inter-disciplinary collaboration, it is hoped that the new laboratory will promote advanced, solution-focused work.
We caught up with the important actors in bringing this together, from industry, academia and government – as well as a veteran of a similar, previous project – who all shared their insights into wind energy innovation.
Göran Sandberg – Lund University’s Professor of Structural Mechanics and the coordinator for this project.
Professor Göran Sandberg
“It is great to be opening a new lab with tools such as these, as it’s important to get started. Academic pursuits are really all about the bottom-up approach where people get stuck in with equipment like this, so I am very excited to see where this will lead us.”
Q. How can sound and vibration help?
“To be able to run, for example, a wind turbine, we must be able to read and interpret the vibration that the plant emits. Then we can detect and repair damage in time. In general, equipment like this can help our research about understanding the vibrations from different constructions. Hopefully, it can also open up entirely new applications…………………………
Truth or fiction?
Did Colin Novak – just give Arlene King – a headache………….
or is her headache – all in her head?
‘[excerpt] A popular hypothesis is that the health problems caused by turbines are psychosomatic.’
What Colin Novak said:
‘[excerpt] He explained sound data used in turbine studies doesn’t mimic an actual windmill.
“The only real studies they are using in terms of acoustics of the blades are from older studies using helicopter blades,” Novak said. “They’re really not the same thing. … There is very little study on the actual noise emissions characteristics.”
When a turbine blade passes its pedestal, it generates a different sound than a helicopter, Novak explained.
“That’s where you get the whoosh type of sound. You don’t have that with a helicopter blade and they spin a lot faster,” he said.
“They are really two different animals.”
While numerous researchers have published theories on wind turbines and possible health effects, they lack scientific backing, Novak said.
“Most of the papers related to this are more opinionated,” he explained.’
Arlene King – a mystery
MOE schmoes – solution
‘wear earmuffs’
Correction:
My above comment:
should read – just ‘gave’
I like fashion – rumours around the ‘water cooler’
I’m curious!
Will Arlene King –
wear a dress, or freshly pressed pantsuit – to court?
give/gave give/gave give/gave – get it – got it!
Arlene King –
will bring her ‘evidence’ based on
‘best opinion’ – to court.
Tell me this can’t be true – please!
I’m liking them less and less. They open with an outright misdirection (lie?) The are at best the SECOND — behind Waterloo.
It’s industry financed — so will it simply turn into a house of misdirection?
Time will tel.
Hey WillR,
Who should fund the research – you didn’t say?
Colin Novak said this:
‘[excerpt] Low frequency sound exposure has been documented to create side effects.
“If a person is exposed over a long period of time to infrasound at relatively low amplitudes, they do experience the symptoms of nauseous anxiety,” Novak said.
And this:
‘[excerpt] “The wind farm operators … can be nervous of what you might find and the residents also tend to be, in my experience, suspicious of any scientific study,” Novak said.’
FT:
Read the linked documents — it seems there primary focus is promoting additional wind turbines.
I think this is a sop — a throw-away..
Hey WillR,
Your passion shines through – and, I find debate on the topic is healthy.
I’ve looked @ the links.
I do not get a sense – ‘their primary focus’ – is promoting wind turbines.
Colin Novak and his team – simply looked around –
and saw an industry being developed –
pushed by the Liberal government –
and noticed –
citizens concerned about ‘legitimate’ health issues –
Like Colin Novak said:
‘[excerpt] While numerous researchers have published theories on wind turbines and possible health effects, they lack scientific backing, Novak said.
“Most of the papers related to this are more opinionated,” he explained.’
Noise and Sound – huge business –
and, you want to get it right!
Ontario citizens – have a government making important decisions –
regarding wind turbines
based on
‘opinions’ – Ugh!
I just had a novel thought!
Since your councils –
can’t hear your cry’s of opposition – to the wind turbines -
it might be a ‘good idea’ to send them MOE ‘ear muffs’ -
along with a note –
too dumb! – too stupid! – get out!
Ontariwoe:
Thanks — I missed that set of links — and I went looking for that stuff!!!!
It looks like it is all about maximizing the penetration of renewable energy machines into the country side.
Hey — who wants more turbines?
Based on those links and the stated purpose of the research group of which he is now a part. I say that if he comes knocking — throw the bum out. But that is just my personal opinion.
Any Rottweiler fans in the group? Just curious — nothing more..
OK folks anybody here who has been an R&D director can confirm this…
The $1.4M in kind donation is simply a kick-start. Now Colin needs some real cash — you can’t pay the rent and the staff with in-kind (Hard Goods) contributions — so here is how it works.
There are granting agencies like NRC, NSERC (Academic) IRAP (Industrial) and Health Canada — to name a few avenues. They have different foci — so who you approach depends on what part of the R&D package you are selling.
So First you need some industry or independent granting agency money. Maybe one of the turbine companies will kick in a small amount of cash. That cash will be matched (Like the B&K In-Kind donation) by one of the government agencies — if they can sell the proposal to NRC or NSERC say. Health Canada could be approached for “matching funds”.
If I were Colin I would go to Sierra, WWF ad Tides Canada and similar — maybe ask Pembina for help etc. — In other words the people we have grown to dislike — the crazy Greeners! The I would match it with funds from the list of Government agencies. If he knows how to play this game he could multiply his current funds by up to four to five times (average) — Some have bragged a 10 times multiplier — I never managed that. Some get only a two times — that’s pretty poor.
To me Colin seems pretty new at this so initial funding could be sparse and difficult to pin down to commitments. To get the big bucks you need a track record with similar sized projects.
hth
Another note on this…
The Industry partners who kick in bucks can also take advantage of the SR&ED program if they structure it right.
See here:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/txcrdt/sred-rsde/menu-eng.html
Support for your R&D in Canada
The SR&ED program is a federal tax incentive program, administered by the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA), that encourages Canadian businesses of all sizes, and in all sectors to conduct research and development (R&D) in Canada. It is the largest single source of federal government support for industrial R&D.
The SR&ED program gives claimants cash refunds and/or tax credits for their expenditures on eligible R&D work done in Canada.
This allows you to expand the program and involve your industry partner and his consulting agencies. Now if they are smart they can lay off additional bucks to the Federal Tax program. All for sticking a noisy Wind Turbine in your back yard.
This would provide additional incentive to locate the program here.
The Windsor group will be using the Lab near Detroit — so B&K gets to retrieve some of the donation by renting the lab to U. of Windsor. This allows them to shift bucks to the USA — where Corporate and State taxes are typically much lower.
Its just smart financing to do all of these things .
Course I’m just guessing eh? No personal knowledge of how to do this — really…
So the Ontario wind energy industry is guaranteed enormous profits for 20 years, paid for by our tax dollars, for producing something that is of no benefit to anyone apart from themselves?
All the ‘studies’ are also financed by our tax dollars and in fact, are similar to any consultancy exercise red herrings put out by public bodies(government and wind energy companies – Yes! they are no longer private companies investing their own capital but now a fully tax funded public sector ‘industry’).
You only pay a consultant to get the answers you want!
Why do we waste so much time on topics which only relate to the wind energy companies and their propaganda and have absolutely nothing to do with supporting us?
What all our efforts should be focused on is finding an honest lawyer, to take a case to an impartial court with an honest judge and receive an honest result.
(There can’t be a single intelligent person left in Ontario who honestly believes that either wind or solar energy can deliver on a single promise claimed by those misguided environmentalists who began this lunacy?)
Once we have that first and inevitable ruling in our favour, then we find courts to rule the whole wind and solar scam has been just that, a scam, and that no existing or proposed contract is legitimate and that they all can be cancelled and with costs to repair the harm these companies have done – jail time would be good too…………… Look up ‘negligence’…………
Andrew Watts
True, but first probable cause for a criminal inquiry must be established by gathering the needed information and this may be closer to reality than some people think it is.
Criminal inquiries don’t need the public to hire lawyers. Done by law enforcement officers.
I look at this whole exercise as another survey… What answer would you like? Instructions in YouTube Video:
Leading Questions — Mr. Prime Minister!
Their study will say what their sponsors want it to say.
Novak sells equipment to measure LFN. But, hell, no conflict of interest there.
Hey Lorrie,
I believe in a balanced approach – I’m very grateful.
Getting behind a champion!
Colin Novak: a very courageous move on his part
‘[excerpt] A popular hypothesis is that the health problems caused by turbines are psychosomatic.’
What Colin Novak said:
‘[excerpt] He explained sound data used in turbine studies doesn’t mimic an actual windmill.
“The only real studies they are using in terms of acoustics of the blades are from older studies using helicopter blades,” Novak said. “They’re really not the same thing. … There is very little study on the actual noise emissions characteristics.”
When a turbine blade passes its pedestal, it generates a different sound than a helicopter, Novak explained.
“That’s where you get the whoosh type of sound. You don’t have that with a helicopter blade and they spin a lot faster,” he said.
“They are really two different animals.”
While numerous researchers have published theories on wind turbines and possible health effects, they lack scientific backing, Novak said.
“Most of the papers related to this are more opinionated,” he explained.’
Am I missing something?
McGuinty’s playful life – Liberal Cronyism;
already engrained in McGuinty’s D.N.A – picking ‘winners and losers’
Responsibility – what’s that?
While numerous researchers have published theories on wind turbines and possible health effects, they lack scientific backing, Novak said.
“Most of the papers related to this are more opinionated,” he explained.’ Not true
FT
What your ultimately missing is the diversion to blaming the victims and their DNA. To even put that suggestion into peoples heads is what they were aiming at. Do you seriously think these people are genuinely looking for answers? Hardly. They need to quell investor fears that the technology is not working and in turn sell more equipment “investigating” while they keep this scam going for as long as they can.
Hey Ontariwoe,
Oh!
Is this what this is about:
The Colin Novak – ‘diversion’
Absolutely – how could I miss it!!!
Let’s find me a ‘room’.
Exactly!!! Divert people’s attention away from the real health issues caused by IWTs and will work well with uninformed general public and the MSM.