Province knew about health effects from turbines

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Documents released through a Freedom of Information request from an Orangeville resident reveal the government was aware of adverse health effects caused by industrial wind turbines as far back as 2006. While Ontario Progressive Conservative leader Tim Hudak says he is not shocked to learn the government kept this information from the public in relation to the 200-megaWatt Melancthon EcoPower Centre (located in Amaranth and Melancthon Township, near Shelburne, Ont.), he says he is disappointed.

“I wasn’t surprised. Concerns have been raised across Ontario and in other jurisdictions,” says Hudak, whose own riding of Niagara West-Glanbrook is poised for the installation of several industrial wind turbines. “What it is, is disappointing. It appears as through they were trying to cover something up.”

In the released document, ministry officials report “complaints of adverse health effects by area residents are for the most part justified. “MOE Provincial Officers have attended at several of the complainant’s [sic] residences and have confirmed that despite the noise emissions apparently complying with the applicable standard … that the noise emissions are in fact causing material discomfort to the residents in and around their homes,” reads the document, written by provincial officer Gary Tomlinson. Read article

40 thoughts on “Province knew about health effects from turbines

  1. Lisa Thompson has a lot of integrity. Maybe she could become the leader of the PC party. As much as I support Mr. Hudak’s stand regarding the Greed Energy Act, he is trailing both Andrea Horvath and Kathleen Wynne in leader popularity.

    At this point in the history of Ontario politics, the PCs should be a shoe-in for a majority. Why do they continue to put off, even irritate so many voters – they just seem lost, don’t they?

    • Which groups of voters do the PCs irritate and why? It’s not rural Ontarians.
      This issue needs to be addressed.

      • Start with the teachers. The Conservatives supported the Liberals in their stand against the teachers. It doesn’t matter why…they’re ticked and it would look like the NDP will get their votes.

      • Well there are far more urban teachers than rural teachers so the IWT issues won’t affect them.
        Maybe there won’t be so many teaching jobs after the Ontario economy tanks due to the loss of industry here. And a lot of the teaching job losses will be in urban areas.

      • You asked which group of voters the PCs irritate and my answer was the teachers; whether they are rural or urban, it makes no difference. Tim Hudak came out strong in his defense of the Liberals’ stand against the teachers and they took umbrage at that. I think it was highly suggested that the teachers vote for the Liberals in the last election; that move bit them in the butt! They may vote as a block in the next election but this time it will be the NDP they vote for.

    • I like Vic Fidelli. His track record as mayor of North Bay is outstanding. He is ethical, charismatic and eloquent. Lisa Thompson, I agree, has shown a lot of integrity but perhaps lacks the experience that Vic Fidelli would bring to the table.

    • The point I was trying to make is that rural teachers are for more likely to retain their jobs. In regions across North America where jobs have been lost there were also teaching jobs lost. The hardest hit areas that lost all the manufacturing jobs also had large teaching job loses due to population shifts as workers sought employment in other regions.
      So driving out jobs in Ontario due to high electricity costs will also cost teaching jobs. Teachers had better look to where their future jobs will be and not just at the here and now.

  2. As for the Liberals, they really make me feel sick. They are just so corrupt and toxic.

  3. Chief Medical Officer of Health. Dr. Arlene King denied knowing about any ill health affects caused by IWT’s. This was reported in 2006. What am I missing??

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  5. After learning that the McGuinty government had been lying about the known negative health effects and property devaluation that their Green Energy Act would inflict on rural communities at least three years before they put the GEA into law, Hudak is not ‘surprised’ , just ‘disappointed’.
    That, my friends is why he trails Wynne and Horwarth in ‘popularity polls’ and that is why the PCs will possibly not even win a minority status after a next election.
    He is looking at the biggest IWT project in Ontario with the biggest IWTs ever erected in North America in his own backyard. Existing evidence from competent experts suggest the negative impacts on his own constituents will be far worse and more extensive than in all the Ontario communities already suffering. And Hudak is no more than ‘disappointed’ at the actions of the government that initiated this rural carnage and will continue by imposing it on his own constituents?
    He should be shouting it from the rooftops every single day. He should be publicly condemning both this Liberal government under the leadership of what is no more than a McGuinty clone. He should be demanding that Horwarth publicly state why she and her NDP party supported McGuinty and so supported the lies and deceit that are the only foundation of the Liberal energy policies over the past 10 years.(There has been evidence of negative health impacts far earlier than 2006……………..)
    The very possibility of a Liberal government being returned with Wynne still its leader should be devastating to any intelligent voter. The other possibility, a Horwarth NDP government even more devastatiing.
    These are serious times for all of us, specially those of us targeted by government sanctioned negative health and property issues.
    We don’t need a Timmy only interested in maintaining some sort of ‘entitlement’ status quo, so that should he win he can continue the political game they all play with perhaps a couple of ‘conservative’ crumbs thrown in, like returning a limited amount of autonomy to local municipalities(and we still have to wait to see if that actually happens…………)
    We need a leader to inspire at least some sort of confidence! Tim H. just can’t do that.
    And the question Randi( ‘Screw you rural Niagara I have the green Energy Act on my side) couldn’t answer is actually not difficult. Enercon states that for maximum efficiency the IWTs scheduled for West Lincoln and Wainfleet should be no less than 750mtrs apart.
    But why let a few silly facts get in the way of the NRWC’s fantasy world motivated purely by greed. It would affect their profit line.
    A bad law that sanctions criminal actions and criminal negligence? Corrupt politicians of all parties who wish to retain an ‘entitlement’ status quo that continues to bankrupt us? And a relatively new private corporate industry every bit as greedy as the evil ‘Big Oil’ and the global corporate capitalists that both the Canadian Liberal and NDP parties pretend they loathe.
    I guess when they make huge profits on corporate welfare it’s seen as OK as its only tax dollars .Wynne, Horwarth, Hudak? There’s nothing to choose between any of them or their parties.
    If we are to save any of what is left of rural Ontario it’s up to us and no one else to do it.
    Andrew Watts

    • Andrew, you said:
      “Existing evidence from competent experts suggest the negative impacts on his own constituents will be far worse and more extensive than in all the Ontario communities already suffering.”

      That’s bogus.

      • I believe that Andrew is referring to the size of the turbines proposed for West Lincoln, a densely populated area. They are to be 572 ft. or higher, depending on which blades they decide to use, and 3 MW. They are also spaced together far closer than the Enercon 101 manual states that they should be, which increases the noise and wind baffling, (which decreases the efficiency.) The larger the turbines, the worse the infrasound will be, and so on. I don’t think he meant to make light of anyone’s suffering, because we all know how bad it can be. We are all in this together.

      • S & D! Hi! I am not an engineer so guess ‘bogus’ is a credible engineering term in use today? I would have preferred a bit more of a layman’s explanation??? 🙂 🙂 🙂
        I have completed in excess of 2500 scuba dives and am well aware of pressure effects underwater. Whilst they are not so extreme in our atmosphere they do still exist and are a proven factor. Flying after diving has been known to cause decompression sickness.
        The bat deaths that concern us are a type of DCS and have been described as barotrauma, where the bats lungs are unable to cope with the fluctuating pressure in the vicinity of IWTs and explode. Please correct me if I am wrong?
        Now to go a step further(and again please excuse my limited engineering knowledge) I understand that that the recent studies suggesting that Low Frequency Noise is a real factor includes, I think, the pressure fluctuations caused by the difference in pressure on opposing sides of the blades? On the windward side it is high pressure and as the energy from the wind is almost totally absorbed by rotating the blades there is significant drop in pressure on the back side of the blades. Again, please correct me if I am wrong?
        I understand it is this pressure difference that produces the ‘woosh – woosh’ sound that so many victims have described?
        Not a mechanical sound, and though audible at times also part of the Low Frequency element that is now being recognized as potentially harmful? Now I am not suggesting for a moment that any human or larger animal are in any danger of having a lung explode! But I do know barotrauma effects can accumulate over a long period of time and I would be very skeptical of any ‘expert’ who claims there will be no negative impacts, ever?
        Which brings me to the ‘bogus’ bit? Ontario’s provincial government , the wind energy companies and their lobby organization, CANWea, proposed the Green Energy Act Set Backs and Noise Limits based on 50mtr high IWTs.
        Are you seriously claiming that that the pressure wave fluctuations from a 50mtr high IWT will be exactly the same as a 200mtr high IWT with considerably larger blades?
        We aren’t talking mechanical noise, we are talking of the pressure changes being generated purely by turbine blades turning, nothing more.
        Unless you can furnish absolute proof otherwise I would suggest that any effects will increase with the increased size of the turbine blades?
        NRWC are planning on inflicting the biggest in North America(so far) on West Lincoln and Wainfleet.
        I would really like to know how the logical assumption that such a huge physical increase in size will increase the effects can be so summarily dismissed as ‘bogus’?
        Just asking………. 🙂 🙂 🙂
        Andrew Watts

      • The logic is reasonable. But we don’t know for sure what about the sound energy is causing the “annoyance” and other effects. Could be a spike in one particular frequency that sets your skull resonating, for example, which may be caused by a certain shape of blade and not others? Who knows?

        Each case is unique (wind turbines -> house -> person). Unfortunately at this point, the only way to tell for certan what’s going to happen is to let it happen and then examine it.

        Sure, bigger wind turbines may produce bigger pressure waves, more infrasound, etc.

        But I maintain it’s the deadly combination of broadband sound emissions that causes the harm.

        Yes there is plausibility that the wind turbines in your backyard will cause lots of harm. But I don’t think the evidence is available to say that it “will be far worse and more extensive than in all the Ontario communities already suffering.”

      • Hi S & D! So not altogether certifiably ‘bogus’ then?
        I couldn’t really care less about what specific and still unresearched sources of the impacts these huge, overpriced and inefficient industrial machines may have on causing the negative effects that will screw up the life of the rural community I chose as home, I just want to join with any other like minded soul who wants them stopped.
        If my basic layman conclusions can be disputed I would far rather it was a pro wind energy ‘expert’ who claimed my comments were ‘bogus’ than someone who I believe agrees with me that wind energy, at this time, is itself a totally bogus science?
        Andrew Watts

    • Hey Andrew,
      You said,
      ‘And a relatively new private corporate industry every bit as greedy as the evil ‘Big Oil’ and the global corporate capitalists that both the Canadian Liberal and NDP parties pretend they loathe.’

      Firstly, capitalism only exists in ‘free nations’ – any guesses?

      Secondly, the Liberals and NDP – believe government should grow the economy;
      example: McGuinty Liberals using ‘green act’ to create ‘green jobs’

      And lastly, big union supports this modernization – and, the conversation.
      Call it whatever you wish.
      But, it seems they’re into a ‘democracy’ theme.
      It’s not about the money – Please don’t mention – ‘the money’

      The energy corporations saw an opportunity – and jumped on it.
      Their mandate is to make money for their shareholders. Period.

      The Conservatives – speak – and, nobody is listening.
      Ontario is bankrupt. Period.

      • Read the article from the Industrial Wind Action News Watch on this site.
        “Is German renewable energy biting the Mittelstand hand that feed the GDP?”
        Small and medium size business in Germany are being hit hard with energy costs and this is costing jobs.
        There is no reason why Ontario unions can’t understand the job losses Ontario faces by following similar energy policies as Germany is doing.

      • Financial Post, Feb.11,2013
        “Terence Corcoran: The price of Keystone may be a carbon tax”
        “Tax could provide cover for approval of oil sands pipeline.”
        New national carbon tax for Canada
        http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/02/11/terence-corcoran-the-price-of-keystone-may-be-a-carbon-tax
        A carbon tax is directly on the consumer and will just put more people into energy poverty.
        There are other countries that will buy Canadian oil if it’s not sold to the U.S. Let the U.S. use its own supply of oil or buy oil on the world market. Why should Canadians be taxed so that oil can be sold to the U.S.?

      • Hi ‘Free’! Any true free market capitalist economy was killed years ago.
        There isn’t a fiscally conservative political party left on the planet that can honestly claim to be ‘conservative’. Here in Ontario we have Timmy who is pretending to fight his way from the left to somewhere close to left of centrist.
        And the Liberals and NDP make Stalin look like a conservative!
        And there’s the rub! We have successive governments of all political parties who are totally incapable of running any business in the public sector, health? education? welfare? now claiming they are the ones to promote economic growth and create jobs!
        All they need is more of our tax dollars, whilst we all accept an ever declining standard of living, until one day they will all lead us to a Utopia that will be bankrupt!
        The wind energy industry cannot claim to be free enterprise or free market when their profits are totally dependent on bankrupting the ordinary tax paying citizen?
        Andrew Watts

    • Fine,Hudak isn’t perfect but what alternative is there? An election may be weeks away and it is far too late to contemplate changing leaders now, He and his team, Lisa Thompson and others, clearly are the only ones remotely concerned with curbing wind development, they have voted on moratoriums to prove it. We all know how Horwath’s team voted. Opponents of wind energy excesses don’t have the luxury of waiting for the perfect spokesman to come along to support. As you say an NDP government is unthinkable, and Liberals are toast. Support for PC is the only reasonable course at this time, and Hudak happens to be the leader.

      • Unfortunately, Tim Hudak did NOT vote to support Lisa Thompson’s private members’ bill on March 8, 2012.

        I say let’s have a leadership convention. Think of all the publicity! We could have a real party!

  6. OK maybe he was out of the legislature on other business. implicitly he agreed for the bill to come forward. I don’t think the other leaders voted either, not many MPPs did. It is far too late to think of a convention now, Hudak is the leader and will be for the next election.

      • True enough I guess, but are you saying that Hudak will be replaced at this date?
        I find that highly unlikely, though I have no say in the matter.

      • There is no way Hudak will be replaced before the next election.
        IF he was going to be replaced it would have happened some time ago. No party in their right mind would plonk a new person into a leadership role without allowing lots of time for the electorate to get to know him/her before an election.

    • Membership has it’s perks!
      About CanWEA

      CanWEA is the voice of Canada’s wind energy industry, actively promoting the responsible and sustainable growth of wind energy on behalf of its almost 400 members.

      Ugh!

      • “20% of Canada’s electricity needs by 2025?
        There won’t be much cropland left in SW Ont for growing food, but who needs that clean power is more important.

      • 20% – not going to happen. We will
        be bankrupt well before then.

  7. Here is a Wiki article on pulses and beats. –>> Cut and paste:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats

    This gives a little background to the whole mess…

    In these three references it talks about BINAURAL beats — beats created by two sound sources into your two ears.

    However… topography causes sound to shit its path as does a pulsating wind as does additional turbines in the mix. So you have a multiplicity of sources.

    In other words a gaggle of turbines turning and making noise would create a much more complex noise structure — almost impossible to describe without the requisite math. But even then — how do you deal with the randomness inherent in the wind and the randomness of wind direction shifts and turbines shifting direction.

    Even the waves that you do not hear add and pulse… If you want a demo go to a rock concert where the bass is cranked up and feel your heart and chest flutter as the pulses hit you.

    Enjoy!

    Hopefully it won’t get eaten…

  8. Here is a Wiki article.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats

    In these three references it talks about BINAURAL beats — beats created by two sound sources into your two ears.

    However… topography causes sound to shift its path as does a pulsating wind as does additional turbines in the mix. So you have a multiplicity of sources.

    In other words a gaggle of turbines turning and making noise would create a much more complex noise structure — almost impossible to describe without the requisite math. But even then — how do you deal with the randomness inherent in the wind and the randomness of wind direction shifts and turbines shifting direction.

    Even the waves that you do not hear add and pulse… If you want a demo go to a rock concert where the bass is cranked up and feel your heart and chest flutter as the pulses hit you.

    Enjoy!

    • Yes, on one occasion I had to go outside during a rock concert as my skull bones were vibrating. Not a pleasant feeling.

      • Barbara:

        Catch the posts above and try the demos. Sound familiar? Well — maybe not as the turbines will simply create a pressure wave at very low frequencies when they do create a beat note. (By turning at slightly different frequencies.)

  9. Barbara,

    A least you could leave the concert. Furthermore, the loudness of the concert was an ASSUMED risk as opposed to wind turbines, which are an IMPOSED risk.
    (if only Dillon hadn’t switched to electric)

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