Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli answers turbine questions

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Editor’s note: The Independent recently requested an interview with Ontario Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli about the concerns about industrial wind turbines. We submitted five questions and here are the unedited responses forwarded by the minister’s office.

When will the province outline how it will handle FIT program?
The Large Feed-in Tariff (FIT) program is being replaced with a new competitive procurement process for renewable energy projects.  We asked the Ontario Power Authority (OPA) to develop a new competitive procurement process for future renewable energy projects larger than 500 kW, which will take into account local needs and considerations before contracts are offered.

The OPA has engaged with the public, municipalities, Aboriginal communities and other stakeholders to help inform the identification of appropriate locations and siting requirements for future renewable energy projects.  The OPA has reported back to the government with interim recommendations and additional engagement activities will occur later this year.

We need to make sure our approach is balanced and considers the views of local communities while ensuring the long-term sustainability of Ontario’s electricity system. We expect to have more information on this once the province has updated its Long-Term Energy Plan later this year. Read article

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  1. FRAUDULENT BOB CHIARELLI

    Editor’s note: The Independent recently requested an interview with Ontario Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli about the concerns about industrial wind turbines. We submitted five questions and here are the unedited responses forwarded by the minister’s office.

    When will the province outline how it will handle FIT program?

    The Large Feed-in Tariff (FIT) program is being replaced with a new competitive procurement process for renewable energy projects. We asked the Ontario Power Authority (OPA) to develop a new competitive procurement process for future renewable energy projects larger than 500 kW, which will take into account local needs and considerations before contracts are offered.

    The OPA has engaged with the public, municipalities, Aboriginal communities and other stakeholders to help inform the identification of appropriate locations and siting requirements for future renewable energy projects. The OPA has reported back to the government with interim recommendations and additional engagement activities will occur later this year.

    We need to make sure our approach is balanced and considers the views of local communities while ensuring the long-term sustainability of Ontario’s electricity system. We expect to have more information on this once the province has updated its Long-Term Energy Plan later this year.

    Is it deliberately ignoring those opposed to wind energy projects?

    We’re moving forward with renewable energy in a balanced (way). We listened very extensively to the public and we’re changing the way we procure renewable energy projects to respond to community concerns while continuing to encourage a strong renewable energy sector in this province.

    Will the government return planning authority to municipalities on Green projects?

    The Ontario government is making key changes to increase local control over the siting of renewable energy projects. As a former Mayor and Regional Chair, I understand how important it is for communities to be involved in decision making from the beginning.

    Our government wants to ensure that future renewable energy projects will be built in the right place at the right time. That’s why we are replacing the current Feed-in-Tariff program for large renewable energy projects with a competitive bidding process, tailored to the needs of communities. Potential developers will need to work directly with municipalities to determine appropriate locations and site requirements for any future large renewable energy project.

    Our government will also provide up to $90,000 for municipalities to develop Municipal Energy Plans. These plans will help municipalities better integrate energy, infrastructure, growth and land use planning to support economic development, increase conservation and identify energy opportunities.

    Finally, we’ll work with municipalities to determine a property tax rate increase for wind turbine towers.

    If municipalities declare themselves “Not Willing Hosts” is it a guarantee there will not be wind energy projects in their municipalities in the future?

    Recent changes will ensure that municipalities have more say over renewable energy projects. Through the priority points system municipalities will have increased influence over the siting of projects through the prioritization of applications that have demonstrated municipal support. Developers that work closely with municipalities and have broader support will receive points during the application process, helping those projects move forward. During the recent round of Small FIT contract awards, over 98 percent of the successful applications received municipal council support resolutions.

    These recent changes also gives municipalities more tools and enables them to participate directly in the FIT program

    Municipal energy plans will give municipalities a much stronger role in identifying local energy needs and opportunities. Municipal Energy Plans are comprehensive strategies to align infrastructure, energy and land use planning.

    The competitive procurement process will ensure that renewable energy developers work directly with municipalities, before contracts are awarded, and that large renewable energy generation is targeted regionally, based on system needs. This process will better integrate renewable energy into our communities and economy, encouraging growth in the renewable energy sector and respecting communities.

    Will there be a moratorium on the [wind] current projects until the two-year federal health effects study is complete as many municipalities have asked?

    The government is committed to protecting the health of residents in communities that are home to renewable energy projects. We have taken a cautious approach when setting standards for wind turbine setbacks and noise limits to protect Ontarians.

    Large-scale wind energy projects in Ontario are subject to the Renewable Energy Approval (REA) regulation, which includes minimum setbacks for wind energy projects, and minimum requirements for environmental studies and community consultation activities. Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer of Health, Dr. Arlene King undertook a review of the potential health effects of wind turbines. Her 2010 report stated that there is no scientific evidence to date to support claims that wind turbine noise cause adverse health effects.

    The Ministry of the Environment continues to review emerging scientific, health, acoustics and engineering studies to ensure Ontario’s REA regulation remains in line with the latest and best in science. The ministry also continues to support further research by funding, through an agreement with the Council of Ontario Universities, a Research Chair for the ongoing study of Renewable Energy Technologies and Health.

  2. Chiarelli uses weasel words to avoid giving answers to any of the questions….as usual. He is nothing but a snake, like the rest of the lying liberals and their NDP enablers! I don’t know how they can live with themselves. No conscience, I suppose. How dare they fall back on the BS of that miscreant, Arlene King, who refuses to back her words up in a court of law!!!!!

  3. “court of man made laws ”
    Made for the slaves or should I say corporate citizen slash fiction slash slaves
    Who are all committing fraud using copyright ID that belongs to the corporation of CANADA
    Sas so on your long form ID
    No wonder you never get anywhere like as a witness or defendant
    BAR members had immunity and swore a blood oath about this fraud
    Standing in the truth. I am cheers !

  4. My thought as well, I would have had a
    sixth question for Chiarelli. Would you
    be capable of going back and reanswer
    questions 1 thru 5 minus the doubletalk.

  5. so what I’m are hearing is ..: You’re admitting that there IS a problem with the approval process, yet there are countless projects RIGHT NOW being given approval under this same flawed process daily and more awaiting approval still. There are Tribunals going on in this province as we speak arguing over this very thing, communities arguing that they had no say and that the turbine project approved for their community will harm them

    So what you’re REALLY saying is that once all THOSE already going through this flawed process are approved THEN all new applications will have to go through this new “points” system, that “may or may not” come after this process is put into effect.. What your saying is those affected under the old process are acceptable collateral damage for the greater good of Renewable Energy.

    While this all may seem like extremely good news to all those communities who are not already fighting turbine development in their area, how many companies will be jumping at this new way of doing things? Now that the wind industry knows that their days are numbered and are likely not to get to much support from communities (because they simply won’t put their communities at risk – regardless of what KING says…because we all know she’s not got a clue.)because it’s not worth the risk will there be much interest from the wind companies, or will they be happy with amount of money they managed to swindle from the FIT program and move on to their next pet money making project?

    IF communities under this new process REALLY do have as much say as Chiarelli is making it sound like they will, …will Turbine Farm developers be willing to listen to communities demands for turbines to be set back further from homes and schools? Will they respect protected areas in the areas? Will they take the communities concerns into account as every one assess the potential pros and cons to having a turbine built next to them? Will they be willing to put up “fewer” turbines …because that’s what this means. They will not be “allowed” to put them any where they feel. Each and every turbine will undergo a process of “yes or no” in a community, if Chiarelli REALLY means what he’s saying (and Liberals ALWAYS tell the truth) then that is what it will take to get community approval of any turbines.

    Not to mention that many Ontarians now know that turbines are an unreliable source of energy, that their bills are increasing because of them, that we are loosing industry (jobs) because they can’t afford our prices, so many communities will back away simply because they don’t make economic sense and won’t want to become “part of the problem”.

    These promises hold absolutely no value UNLESS the ENTIRE old FLAWED process is brought to a HALT…complete Halt. ALL projects would go back to the PLANNING stages, communities will have a say from the START. Problem with this is, Wind Developers have shown no respect for the concerns of the communities they are in. They’ve called them names(NIMBY) and bulldozed over them in the name of the “Green Energy Act”…they’ve been “Willfully Blind” to what these farms have been doing to communities all over the world, so it’s not likely that they would get any respect back from the communities now.

    So Chiarelli, this all means very little. Those fighting turbines in their communities will continue to do so!! We’ve gotten real good at reading between the lines. The Liberal Government has lost all credibility and we simply do not trust anything you say. Keep the double talk we are not buying what your selling.

    Communities will continue to suffer under the old flawed system and people will continue to get sick and we will continue to fight.

    but then again…who am I?? What do I know…

    • Thanks for this rant, Pam. I wrote a letter to Kathleen Wynne, asking the same questions about already approved projects and her plans for dealing with negative effects of these projects. It’s been 3 months and she has not replied.

  6. “We need to make sure our approach is balanced and considers the views of local communities while ensuring the long-term sustainability of Ontario’s electricity system.”

    Over 70 local communities have made their concerns abundantly clear, Not A Willing Host
    It is quite impossible to accomodate these views, and continue large scale industrial wind development.
    The question unanswered is how Chiarelli opposes wind turbines for the ample green spaces in Ottawa West Nepean, yet supports them wholeheartedly in the adjacent riding of Nepean-Carleton. How about it Minister, time for wind turbines in urban Ont?

  7. Exactly how long does it take to come out with the new rules that Chiarelli has been promising for HOW long now?

  8. All I heard from Chiarelli was ‘Blah, blah, blah, we’re listening to you, sometimes – if we allow you to speak, and you people are getting wind turbines whether you like it or not.’ Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

  9. Now that (preliminary) health data is available from the Waterloo health survey, we should be stopping all projects. Now we have “scientific” evidence that there are health issues. Neither government nor industry can deny it any more. To continue building is “willful blindness”.

    • I’m not a doctor…………
      but the results of Phil Bigelow’s exercise look an awful lot like what was presented by Dr. Nissenbaum at the Society for Wind Vigilance Symposium in October 2010 that were subsequently published in a peer-reviewed, scientific journal.

      Phil Bigelow must be a slow learner…

      I’m glad I’m not associated with the University of Waterloo!

      • Part of Science is to duplicate and verify previous work. Indeed, that aspect is far more important than peer review. Peer review is shown to be increasingly shoddy…

        http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21588069-scientific-research-has-changed-world-now-it-needs-change-itself-how-science-goes-wrong

        Maybe you should send him a thank you for doing important work…

        So, in conclusion, if “all he did” was to duplicate previous work and show that it was correct — in my mind that would be pretty important.

        Hoping that you see the point…

      • Things EVOLVE.

        I’m trying to see your point….so I have a question for you, WillR:

        If one were to ask you the following question, would you consider it to be “a request for personal information”? (Yes or No would be an OK response.)

        Here it is:

        “What bothered you the most about the wind turbines near your home: the audible noise, the low frequency noise or vibration?”

      • No.

        Not a request for personal information — but little to do with my point based on the info that you provided.

      • Is that “a request for personal information”?

      • Oh boy. ‘Things are worse than I thought.’

        I can’t see that question as anything other than “a request for personal information.” But maybe that’s because the wind turbines are in MY backyard.

        And maybe the screws are loose…
        Does anyone have any pills that might fix this?

  10. Have you ever seen an honest politician? An honest liberal politician?
    Dwight Duncan is. At least on this day. Telling you how he really feels about you. Do you think Chiarelli is any different?

    http://www.windsorstar.com/business/Star+seller+shines/9087097/story.html

    “Reports from a dozen news outlets variously described the former minister’s demeanour as feisty, flippant, scoffing and contemptuous.”
    “was shocked at “how flippant, how dismissive” the former minister was of the committee’s 10-month probe into the gas plant cancellations and the economic damage wrought on the province.”
    “he “sneered” his way through”
    “Duncan said with a smirk.”
    “Obviously the many manufacturing plants closed and jobs lost due to Ontario’s rising electricity rates mean nothing to the Liberals, nor the complaints of hundreds of thousands of voters affected by wind turbines and solar installations which impinge on their property rights, or the countless seniors in hardship due to rising bills driven up by their government.”
    “Freed from the constraints of the cabinet code of conduct, Duncan is having the time of his life yukking it up at the expense of the public, both figuratively and literally.”

    • I am told that our electricity bill for the last two months was actually $300 a month — not the $250 per month earlier reported (and estimated)…. It’s actually $300 a month since we got an interim $200 bill.

      They sent us an interim bill — “catching up” the meter readings they say… Izzat so?

      I suppose a suspicious person might imagine them “forgetting” for a lot of people so that people were not primed to complain about the latest increase effective November 1.

      Just because you are paranoid does NOT meant that the Liberals and their Trendy Green Friends are not out to get you.

      Here’s to them (shows a middle finger) and hefting an entire arm — he says — one for the horse they rode in on.

    • Chris Vanderdoelen: “Like a criminal taunting the cops in the middle of his getaway: you can’t catch me, suckas! Ontarians “have moved on,” Duncan said with a smirk.”

      But Chris ain’t so honest himself. Misleading Canadians by mildly describing the people who’ve been harmed by wind turbines like this: “the complaints of hundreds of thousands of voters affected by wind turbines and solar installations which impinge on their property rights.”

      Ya…Right….

      Taxpayers are in for a rude awakening…

  11. There are policy shifts regarding renewable energy going on elsewhere. Delay likely due to these policy shifts.
    People are resisting IWT projects in many other countries and one of the reasons is the spillage problem/waste because there are no practical ways to store wind and solar power.
    FIT programs are being cut back or eliminated as the public is not willing to pay such high energy prices for these guaranteed contracts.
    Renewable energy developers are now trying to sell energy storage solutions as the means to keep this scam going.
    Forbes, July 18,2013
    “Solar Energy Storage About To Take Off in Germany and California”
    Decreasing FITs will promote the attractivness of PV storage systems-as will government incentives.
    Energy Storage North america, Sept.11, 2013
    Energy storage is the economic key that includes the potential of renewables and solves the challenges of creating a dynamic and flexible grid.
    NextEra was a forum sponsor for this event.
    http://www.esna.com/press/release/7
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2013/07/18/solar-energy-storage-about-to-take-off-in-germany-and-california
    So this is what they are waiting for at QP. Need to get directions on what to do next from parties pushing renewable energy.

  12. Energy Minister Chiarelli – on ‘balance beam’ – the approach

    ‘[excerpt] We need to make sure our approach is balanced and considers the views of local communities while ensuring the long-term sustainability of Ontario’s electricity system. We expect to have more information on this once the province has updated its Long-Term Energy Plan later this year.’

    Point your toes Mr. Chiarelli – you’re about to fall off;
    the approach – is everything!

    • Would the real ‘energy minister’ – please stand up;
      and, engage the community.

      ‘[excerpt] In keeping with the way the ENGOs had influenced previous energy ministers, it came as no great shock that OSEA (Ontario Sustainable Energy Association – the ENGO behind the GEAA) had had a one-on-one meeting with Minister Chiarelli in early June and posted their letter of thanks to the minister on their website!

      The foregoing discovery led to a freedom of information (FOI) request to the Ministry of Energy by the writer, sent August 26, 2013, shortly after an article in the Ottawa Citizen. The article in the Citizen carried the story about how 62 communities (now 69) had declared themselves “unwilling hosts” for any industrial wind turbines at a meeting of the Association of Municipalities of Ontario (AMO). The article went on to say that Premier Wynne had approached OSEA:

      “Wynne has asked the Ontario Sustainable Energy Association to raise awareness in communities slated for the turbine projects about the benefits of hosting, including the financial gains that can come from being power generators in a cash-strapped economy.”’

      Obama style politics – learn from the best………..how to win;
      …..spend millions via Working Families – but, nothing political?

      ‘[excerpt] Minister Chiarelli is well aware that the Ontario Liberal Party is dependent on donations from the unions and the many corporations that rushed to Ontario to erect industrial wind turbines and plant solar panels. In 2011 they collectively donated $1.4 million to the OLP and the unions, via Working Families, along with Environmental Defence and OSEA and other ENGOs spent millions condemning the Ontario PC party because of their promise to kill the GEA.

      Ontario’s ratepayers will be stuck with the same energy policies that George Smitherman promised us would only raise our electricity rates by 1% – which has become one of the Liberal’s biggest lies.’
      http://ep.probeinternational.org/2013/10/07/parker-gallant-who-really-sets-ontarios-energy-policies/

      Note: ‘[excerpt] ……ENGOs spent millions condemning the Ontario PC party because of their promise to kill the GEA.’

      Election Day!……and, who will you vote for?

    • Hey, Mr. Chiarelli…….panic, and freak out!

      ‘[excerpt] Endorsing fallacies, avoiding realities—Ontario’s Ministry of Energy
      Global Adjustment charge jumps from $800 million to $6.5 billion in four years’

      ‘[excerpt] So what is Ontario doing to stave off this aggressive push from Quebec? Well, since being named Premier, Kathleen Wynne has overseen the Ministry of Natural Resources issue renewable energy approvals for about 811 megawatts (MW) of industrial-scale wind power. Three of those, including a Samsung contract (Armow Wind for 180 MW), occurred in just the last two weeks! Her government also announced October 10, 2013 that they will scrap the plan to build 2,000 MW of new nuclear. That 2,000 MW was part of the Long-Term Energy Plan issued by Brad Duguid in late 2010 when he was Energy Minister.

      Here is what Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli had to say about abandoning the new nuclear build: “We’re in a comfortable (electricity generation) surplus position at this time and it’s not advisable to make the major investments in new nuclear. Some time in the future we might be looking at it.”’
      http://freewco.blogspot.ca/2013/10/parker-gallant-on-ontarios-energy.html

      Ouch – it hurts.

      Welcome to Ontario!

  13. In the above Forbes article the author, Justin Gerdes, said in the commentary section below the article thar he gets just under $0.04 per killowatt-hour from PG&E for surplus PV electricity sent to the grid.
    Quite a difference in price compared to what Ontario pays for PV electricity from small PV providers.
    Wake up Ontarians!

  14. It’s likely the new policy will be similar to what it will be in Germany. They are just waiting to put the “new orders” in place in Ontario.
    Seems the next big push will be to sell energy storage for renewables but at what cost? Trying to store energy in small amounts and then trying to manage a grid to support all of this folly?

  15. Zoominfo
    Metropolitan Tea Co.,Etobicoke, ON
    Revenue: $1mil-$5mil
    Employees:10-20
    http://www.zoominfo.com/s/#search/person/1.6.e30%3D
    Enter: Metropolitan Tea Co.
    Recently moed into a building that has accomodated 2,600 solar panels for a 701kW project.
    CNW, March 9,2012
    “North Grid Solar Constructing 701 kW FIT Rooftop Solar Project with Elevated Truss”
    http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/935069/northgrid-solar-constructing-701kw-fit/rooftop-solar-project-with-elevated-truss
    A small business with a large FIT project.

  16. Ice Energy, Sept.22,2010
    “Toronto Hydro selects Ice Bear Energy Storage to Reduce Peak Electric Demand”
    Solar energy to make ice system.
    http://www.ice-energy.com/toronto-hydro

    greenteck grid, June 20,2012
    “Ice Energy Finds Profits in Thermal Energy Storage”
    Cost about $2,200 per kilowatt of installed capacity.
    http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/ice-energy-finds-profits-in-thermal-energy-storage
    This is now a California company which moved from Colorado.

  17. The Star, Jan. 21, 2013
    “Big batteries could solve hydro surges and shortages”
    This $16M project got a $5M grant from Sustainable Development Technology Canada.
    Provides 250 kilowatt hours of storage, or nine times what a typical household uses in a day.
    Could supply nine house for $16M.
    http://www.thestar.com/business/2013/01/22/big_batteries_could_solve_hydro_surges_and_shortages.html
    Make the connections and you will know why you don’t get answers from QP. Follow the money and the people.

  18. Canadian Electricity Association Board
    Anthony Haines, Chair. CEO of Toronto Hydro
    Chris Huskinson, Emera Inc.
    Jeff Rosenthal, Brookfield Renewable Energy Partners
    David Stevens, EPCOR
    Bill Taylor, TransCanada
    Brian Vaasjo, Capital Power Corp
    Carmine Marcello, Hydro One, Inc
    Tom Mitchell, OPG
    http://www.electricity.ca/about-cea/cea-board-of-directors.php

    Renewable Energy Storage Summit, Toronto, Oct.7,2013
    Co-Located with CanWea 2013
    See the line-up of speakers.
    http://www.ress2013.com/speakers

    These are the people who get listened to and not rural Ontarians.
    Follow Toronto events and people.

  19. Previous energy ministers have demonstrated a stunning lack of competence.

    Bob “The Prater” Chiarelli has set a new standard.

    Should we think of it as a new high, or a new low in ignorance and gullibility? That is the question….

    Prate: Yes there is such a word….

    prate (prt)
    v. prat·ed, prat·ing, prates
    v.intr.
    To talk idly and at length; chatter.
    v.tr.
    To utter idly or to little purpose.
    n.
    Empty, foolish, or trivial talk; idle chatter.

    Cheers to all and sundry…

  20. The GTA public does need to be educated about what is taking place right under their noses.
    Maybe they don’t care as long as the bills are picked up province wide.
    Money from all Ontarians and then it becomes their business too as to what goes on in the GTA.

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