Ontario tilts against wind turbines as costs spiral: Cohn

sWINDle-billboard-400x236Martin Regg Cohn, The Star
Who would have imagined Ontario as Ground Zero for the global anti-wind movement, pitting people power against wind power? Instead of a low-carbon environment, the governing Liberals generated a highly toxic political environment.

Yet it is economics, more than politics, that is causing the greatest drag on wind power today. Diminishing returns have prompted the Liberals to tilt against wind turbines.

The pace of future wind expansion will be scaled back over the next 20 years, according to the Long Term Energy Plan released this month by the government. The latest plan is a belated admission that previous energy plans were off target.

To understand how much the Liberals miscalculated, it’s worth looking at another report that preceded this one. Prepared for influential clients in the energy industry by global consulting firm IHS-CERA, the title of this private study says it all: “Too Much, Too Fast — The Pace of Greening the Ontario Power System.” Read article

26 thoughts on “Ontario tilts against wind turbines as costs spiral: Cohn

  1. good lord! For the most part, they still don’t get it, but they did have a few good points and maybe it will make some of those urban voters wonder.

    I note the comment… “Resistance to wind turbines in Ontario emanated mostly from rural residents and was quickly exploited by opposition politicians eager to steal Liberal seats. ”

    Yup – they’re all politicians and they’re all out to exploit us – one way or the other.

    But what will those urban voters do? I can only hope they vote Green or NDP – a Conservative gov’t is just a different round of abuse, and surely nobody really believes they will take down a single turbine (well, maybe the pretend one in Toronto).

    In some respects the political parties are irrelevant – we’re going to be screwed no matter which party gets in.

    • Yes y bother voting. You and us are masters of our own ships. Just look what Iceland did for themselves. They took the candy out of the room from the kids (politicians) inside.
      The News people are not on top of it here or the US. But they kick there as ses out. But we seem to be to dense and full of calcified,fluoridated brains to comprehend our true right to get these parasites in jail.
      We can prosecute these criminals in a common law court and we the witnesses in a rightful lawful court without the legal fiction junk they call just us

  2. The author had some good points, but missed the real reason the liberals jumped on wind power. The money. The liberals could not look past the kickbacks and bribes. Considering there is no one in Ontario with the authority to investigate, the crimes will never be fully known. One good example, Siemans, was investigated in almost every country and was found guilty and fined. Except Ontario where no investigation into Siemans was even considered.

      • Hey Ontario –

        History is fascinating thing;
        and, some things are more interesting than others;
        and, some things should never be forgotten.

        The Green Nazi Hell and America’s Future?
        http://www.aim.org/aim-report/the-green-nazi-hell-and-americas-future/

        Ukrainian Protesters Topple Lenin Statue, Smash it with Sledgehammers
        WASHINGTON — Cries of “you’re next” rang out as Ukrainian protesters toppled a statue of Russian communist leader Vladimir Lenin and warned Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovich, of a similar fate.
        http://www.aim.org/newswire/ukrainian-protesters-topple-lenin-statue-smash-it-with-sledgehammers/

        The Liberals have to go!

      • McGuinty/Wynne Liberals –
        still on road to – ‘green hell’……….
        Al Gore approves!

        ‘[excerpt] International collaboration

        Ontario participates in:

        The Climate Registry, a US collaboration aimed at developing and managing a common GHG emissions reporting system.
        North America 2050, a forum for states, provinces and stakeholders to identify leadership opportunities in climate and clean energy initiatives. Ontario also takes part in a number of promising cap and trade initiatives.
        Ontario is a member of the International Carbon Action Partnership (ICAP), a forum made up of countries and regions that have implemented or are actively pursuing the implementation of carbon markets through mandatory cap and trade system.
        It has also been collaborating with other key Canada and US partners within the Western Climate Initiative on a coordinated approach including infrastructure and administration to support a regional cap and trade program.
        On top of this, Ontario has been an observer in the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, which has been operating an electricity sector cap and trade program in the U.S. Northeast and Mid-Atlantic states since 2009.

        On June 2, 2008, Ontario signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Quebec to collaborate on a regional cap and trade system for greenhouse gases. Ontario and Quebec agreed to develop regulations required to implement a cap and trade system and to coordinate work on the required infrastructure and administrative support. The two provinces will work together to make their approach compatible with other cap and trade systems that are emerging in North America and around the world.

        In December 2009, Ontario passed the Environmental Protection Amendment Act (Greenhouse Gas Emissions Trading), 2009, which provides the legislative authority for a cap and trade program that can link to other systems.

        Ontario is phasing in the Greenhouse Gas Emissions Reporting Regulation to collect data to support the design of the cap and trade program. The regulation mandates reporting for all regulated sources emitting more than 25,000 tons of CO2eq per year.

        Smart cities

        In 2006, Ontario released the Growth Plan for the Greater Horseshoe, a 25-year vision and plan for managing population and employment growth in the provinces largest urban area. The Growth Plan sets targets for creating higher density communities with a smaller environmental footprint and includes policies on transit-supportive community design and urban form which promote access to transit, walking, bicycling, and a reduction in automobile use.’
        http://www.theclimategroup.org/who-we-are/our-members/the-province-of-ontario

      • The McGuinty/Wynne mindless – Green Economy
        and, history will record this time……
        …..it’s very important.

        ‘[excerpt] In a word, the Nazi quest for Lebensraum in the East was an early pioneering attempt at what is today called the Green Economy.’

        ‘[excerpt] How and Why the Nazis Went Green

        Albert Speer’s defense at the Nuremberg trials oddly concluded with a warning about the potential destructive powers of science and technology. He strongly pointed out that such a technology could easily be used to dominate people—as was the often the case in the Third Reich, especially with regard to the spread of propaganda. Sounding like a preface to the entire modern environmental movement which sprang into worldwide action in the 1960’s, Speer thus managed to deflect some sense of responsibility away from himself and the German people by shoving blame upon Western man’s technological prowess to dominate “helpless” people. Thus, Avatar was at Nuremberg some 60 years ago. Even stranger still, Speer’s defense worked. He eluded the death penalty.

        ‘[excerpt] In a word, the Nazi quest for Lebensraum in the East was an early pioneering attempt at what is today called the Green Economy. It was a backward eco-imperial plan of Aryan sustainable development, all at the expense of Jews and Slavs, and all dressed up in the latest scientific vocabulary of the day. To fixate on Nazi technology, industry, and the economy, therefore, as the explanation for that all that was evil about the Third Reich, is to subvert the means of holocaustal murder with the motive. The Nazi economy was merely the means by which the holocaust was paid for. The Russian Front provided the opportunity for murder. However, the motive of the holocaust was an Aryan environmentalism rooted in a romantic, evolutionary philosophy of man and nature, notwithstanding Speer’s defense at Nuremberg.’
        http://www.aim.org/guest-column/how-and-why-the-nazis-went-green/

        Without a heart!

  3. The Green party evolved from Greenpeace and Greenpeace has played a major role in German energy policy.
    Elizabeth May has connections to the Rockefellers and Maurice Strong. So the Green party is the worst possible choice.
    The NDP occupies a position on renewable energy just a step above that of the Green Party.
    Ontario would be much worse off with either the NDP or the Green Party. Both are no different than the present Liberal Party when it comes to energy policies.

    • my point in saying I hope the urban voters switch to NDP or Green is that I doubt either of them would get enough seats to form a gov’t,. and the only thing that scares me more than the Liberals is the Conservatives. They are all either evil or stupid or both, so I’d like to see them as fragmented as possible and fighting among themselves.

      Anyone who believes that any of the parties would solve any significant problems is living in a dream world.

      for the most part, they don’t run things anyway. Canada’s sovereignty was sold decades ago. These days, our so-called leaders are just branch managers.

      1913 Woodrow Wilson, US president,”Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United Stated, in the field of commerc and manuyfacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.

      1922 Mayor Hylan of New York City: “The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, stte and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self-created screen… AThe head are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually runs the United States government for their own selfish purposes. THEY PRACTICALLY CONTROL BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES. (MY CAPS ADDED)

      These messages have been repeated by people from all sides of the political spectrum, from business leaders, and others. There isn’t a lot of coverage of these statements. The PR machine is so well oiled that even many activists still believe that we live in a free and democratic society, that we have freedom of the press, and that we can change things with our votes.

      Boy, have they got a surprise coming.

      It is worth fighting against turbines, although they are small potatoes compared to some of the things going on, but people who refuse to look at what’s behind them, the underlying evil that pervades our society and the world as a whole, are in for a very rude awakening.

      “There’s something happening her,
      And you don’t know what it is,
      Do you, Mr. Jones?
      (Bob Dylan)

  4. In addition, members of Greenpeace played a role in promoting the Ontario Green Energy Act.
    Tabins comes from Geenpeace.

  5. Typical ‘Star’ story. They recognize there is a disaster just can’t bring themselves to actually lay the blame squarely where it is, front and centre, and only on the Liberal Party of Ontario’s doorstep!
    All parties have screwed up with provinicial energy policies undoubtedly, but the Green Energy Act and the present bankrupting of Ontario is only down to this Liberal government.
    I agree with Barbara completely and believe any vote for either Green or NDP would only compound the disaster and make the situation even worse, if that is possible, as both parties support the GEA and will do nothing to repeal it. Either could make it even more repressive.
    Which leaves us only with a Conservative alternative? Quite frankly that’s no less scarier than the others and hardly a reason to celebrate.
    Although some Conservative MPs have made statements that sound awfully good and some can even be seen as ‘friends’ of our views I have only ever heard of a ‘suggestion’ that planning powers would be given back to the local municipalities? I have yet to see a Conservative policy document stating that they will immediately repeal the Green Energy Act AND revoke all existing FIT contracts on election? Anything less is no more than politics as usual.
    And it would be really nice to know just how many Conservative politicians have connections to the Ontario wind energy industry?
    I don’t trust any politician of any political party, federal or provincial.
    It shouldn’t be up to us, the voters, to find a politician we can trust. It should be the politicians of every political persuasion to make us believe we can trust them. So far they all continue to fail.
    Andrew Watts

    • Andrew, I agree with much of what you have written except for the last bit.
      The politicians of every political persuasion put a lot of time and money and surveys and so on into their efforst to make us believe we can trust them – not to BE trustworthy, but merely to make us believe…
      And I believe that much of the situation that we now find ourselves in – IWTs Nestlé’s abuse of the world’s water, GATT, WTO, etc, etc. are partly our fault for blindly accepting what we were taught about elections and economics and our wonderful free country.

      All BS.
      The good news is some of us are starting to wake up. The bad news is that many of us are still a little bleary from centuries of sleep – and we still think we can make a difference with our vote. Our vote is pretty much irrelevant. About all that it can accomplish is to reduce their effectiveness by keeping them divided and fighting among themselves.

    • Lisa MacLeod has spoken at anti wind turbine meetings and stated more than once, that elimination of FIT tariffs, and a return of planning powers to municipalities is part of the PC platform. As energy critic she has some credibility. True I would be happier if Tim Hudak would say these things more forcefully, but I do take her at her word.
      Nothing the NDP or Liberals say is remotely close.

      • That’s great for the Wind Companies — it’s a lot cheaper to buy a Mayor!

        Some of you guys are really missing the point that it is the setback standards that are the issue.

        Left to the municipalities we will see wide variation in standards and “asking price”.

        Incredibly frustrating…

  6. And furthermore the major suppliers of “green” energy, like IWTs, are fellow travelers of Greenpeace all over the world.
    This should sum up the politcal situation in a simple way.
    Your votes are more important now than perhaps many times in the past.
    Polital support for “green” energy can shift from party to party so this is not easy to follow. it’s a good bet that the “green” energy money will not be with the PCs.

  7. After the demise of the British Empire at the end of WW2, the U.S had to assume the role that Great Britian played in world affairs which of course dragged in Canada as well.
    As long as the U.S. stayed out of corrupt world affairs things were not too bad in North America.
    At one time Great Britian ruled the seas and the U.S. ruled the Pacific so this provided a great deal of stability to the world. Done by unwritten agreement.
    Don’t suppose many people know the blood relationships between those in power in great Britian and those in power in the U.S.
    Just one example. Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were cousins and Churchill used to stay at the Whitehouse when he visited the U.S.

  8. Does anyone know where I can get the template for a sign I saw in the Strathroy protest?

    Liberal Hotline
    1- 800 – JACKASS

    They are listening! ( insert picture of Kathleen Wynne with DONKEY EARS! )

    It would be so good to see these signs all over Ontario.

  9. First, we’re paying for Wind Turbines NOT to produce power.

    Now, we’re paying the Ontario Northlander Train 800 million NOT to run.

    But whatever, keep voting for the Liberals because you ASSUME all the other parties are just as bad.

    • That’s one of the many sad things about politics in Ontario Gord.
      Too many people believe or profess to believe, that all parties and individual politicians are just as bad or actually worse, than the party they continually support, regardless of blatantly obvious, massive fraud, lies & corruption at a scale previously unheard of in Canadian politics.
      But whatever, they keep voting for the Liberals, because they like some of the new lies they’re spewing/promising, if only we’ll give them one more chance. Some voters even naively believe them,,,,,,, again!!
      Contrary to some in the MSM, voters in fact, at least in Ontario, have very short to no memories and that has disastrous consequences. ie Liberals have moved Ontario from the top province to a pathetic basket case.

  10. FindLaw
    “Indictment By Grand Jury”
    The history of the grand jury is rooted in the common law and civil law. Extends back to Athens, pre-Norman England and the Assize of Clarendon promulgated by Henry II.
    Also dates back to Colonial North a
    America.
    Read how the grand jury works to investigate corruption and enforce laws.
    http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment5/annotation01.html
    At present in Ontario the citizens have no way of investigating corruption which is the principal function of grand juries.
    There can be an Ontario wide grand jury as well as grandjuries at the county level.
    No individual citizen unless they are very wealthy can conduct investigations.
    Time to include grand jury systems in Ontario law and include this in the PC election platform.
    This will be a major way of rooting out corruption in Ontario. Return to the English laws that were in force before there was an Ontario.

  11. Free Thinker.

    Thank you for the link: Green Nazi Hell and America’s Future? What an incredible eye opener. This is frightening beyond words! History will repeat itself. OMG! and here we are following Germany’s lead with the wind turbines and the mentality that goes with it. A must read for all.

  12. Did you hear about Dr. Kieran Moore’s recent crimes at the Ontario Environmental Review Tribunal for the Armow hearing?

    103 paragraphs of unqualified, negligent filth.

    “I wouldn’t let Dr. Moore treat my dog.”

    Unfortunately I can’t share the report with you because of the Tribunal’s privacy policies.

  13. If Moore’s testimony was given in the presence of the general public at this ERT then what’ private about his testimony?
    If the general public was excluded from hearing his testimony then it is private.
    Same as in the courts where sometimes the public is excluded from hearing some of the testimony.
    Who’s scaring people into thinking ERT testimony is private?

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