Ms. Wrightman (Appellant) – Ok, I’m just going to skip to Para.36 on pg.10. And you speak here of other types of birds, American woodcock, the 30,000 birds that are allowed to be harvested, and you use the word harvest. How many eagles do you think it’s – that a wind turbine should be allowed to harvest legally in Ontario?
Dr. Kerlinger (NextEra Expert Witness)– To determine that number we would probably have to – if you look at page – same paragraphs 34 through 39. We would need to do population viability analyses. Right now the numbers aren’t even on the charts, they’re so small. That’s one of the reasons I brought this woodcock example. For certain species you can harvest 10% without having an adverse impact on the population. For eagles, it’s a smaller percentage probably that we’re not even punching through one/tenth of 0ne percent yet so we’ve got a long way to go in terms of eagle fatalities. I would recommend that would be a great study based on what Zimmerman’s already found. I would recommend to Environment Canada and CWS (Canadian Wildlife Service) to use population viability analysis or something like it to model and find out in the future how many can be harvested, especially with an increase in population before you would end up curtailing that increase or flattening the curve or making a decline in the population. You can do these models and project out to one or two hundred years. That’s how we can allow hunting for species like rails which are much less numerous as well as grouse, prairie grouse, etc. These type of models are very, very good for that.
Ms. Wrightman – So, if the wind turbine company is allowed to harvest bald eagles, do you believe that people should be able to harvest bald eagles?
Mr. Vanderbent (ERT Chair) – I’m not sure what the relevance of that question is to the matters before us.
Ms. Wrightman – Well he’s talking about harvesting. So, we’re harvesting bald eagles now, right?
Mr. Vanderbent (ERT Chair) – I don’t think that’s what he’s said in paragraph 36. I just don’t see how it assists us in, um, the decision we have to make.
Ms. Wrightman – Well we are talking about people going out and harvesting woodcocks and stuff like that; so, to me I’m just putting it on par here. Nextera is a “corporate person”, right, and I’m a person; so, can I go out and…
Mr. Vanderbent (ERT Chair) – Our job is to deal with the issue that’s before us. From his testimony you have asked the question about turbines harvesting, which is another way of saying there’s no distinction between harvesting and wind turbine kill. And when you have asked the question you got the response.
Ms. Wrightman – Right, one’s legal and one’s not.