Armow Wind appeal begins with tribunal allowing evidence from post-turbine witnesses

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The Environmental Review Tribunal hearing, into an appeal launched against the proposed Armow Wind facility in Kincardine, began with a bang Thursday morning in Kincardine. Jeremy Glick, co-counsel for the director of the Ontario Ministry of the Environment (MOE), asked the tribunal to exclude evidence from a number of witnesses, participants and presenters, because it is irrelevant to the case, and beyond the scope of the tribunal.

Speaking before tribunal chairperson Maureen Carter-Whitney, and a small crowd of the public and the media, Glick said the post-turbine witnesses would present a “proliferation of collateral issues” that would mean a costly and lengthy process. He stressed that the goal should be for a cost-effective and expeditious hearing, without any unnecessary complications.

“So, what evidence is relevant?” said Glick. “The evidence that is related to facts and issues, or establishes facts and issues. But any evidence that does not assist the tribunal in making a decision on (the appeal) under the Environmental Protection Act, should be excluded.”

The witnesses that Glick said should be excluded, were listed in three categories:

  • Seven post-turbine witnesses who have health symptoms they believe are caused by the nearby wind turbines
  • Heather Pollard, Owen Sound district supervisor with the MOE, who received complaints about the Enbridge wind facility
  • Acoustician Richard James and engineer Bill Palmer who state that the Armow Wind project will operate out of compliance with theRenewable Energy Approval (REA) process

Glick explained why each of those groups should be excluded, stressing again that their evidence is irrelevant to the hearing. He emphasized that none of the evidence from the post-turbine witnesses comes with documentation from a medical professional. Read article

17 thoughts on “Armow Wind appeal begins with tribunal allowing evidence from post-turbine witnesses

  1. 1 month on the job!
    But, is anyone – under investigation?

    I don’t get this – but, it sounds hot………..
    ‘[excerpt] “So, what evidence is relevant?” said Glick. “The evidence that is related to facts and issues, or establishes facts and issues. But any evidence that does not assist the tribunal in making a decision on (the appeal) under the Environmental Protection Act, should be excluded.”’

    ………still sounds hot – whatever it is.

    Counsel
    Ontario Ministry of the Environment
    December 2013 – Present (1 month)

    Counsel, Crown Law Office – Civil
    Ministry of the Attorney General
    July 2008 – December 2013 (5 years 6 months)

    http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/jeremy-glick/45/381/837

    Did Glick get a promotion – or, something else?

    • Did he really say,
      ‘[excerpt] …under the Environmental Protection Act,……?

      He said it – right?

  2. “Is anyone under investigation?”

    ‘[excerpt] Alexandria Pike, counsel for the approval holder, Samsung Pattern Armow Wind Ontario GP, noted the prejudicial effect that can result from assumptions based on the evidence that the MOE is asking be excluded.
    “We have no diagnoses and no medical experts to weigh that evidence,” she said. “It casts a pall on the proceedings without having the proper experts here. And yet, the witnesses are still eager to comment about the health impacts. The prejudice has already begun.” ‘

    Repeat: “The prejudice has already begun.”

  3. Causing effect:

    ‘[excerpt] However, the tribunal directs post-turbine witnesses and presenters to testify only on their personal experiences and not other people’s; and comment on their situations but not on any conclusions related to cause and effect.’

    Help me?

    I can say, “I breathe in air, and this causes my lungs to expand.”?
    This has already been proven?

  4. Always a victim…

    ‘[excerpt] Speaking before tribunal chairperson Maureen Carter-Whitney, and a small crowd of the public and the media, Glick said the post-turbine witnesses would present a “proliferation of collateral issues” that would mean a costly and lengthy process.’

  5. The scope of tribunals and court cases is always limited. Otherwise a case could drag on for years.
    The scope of grand jury investigations is NOT limited This jury can consider any and all the issues the grand jury wants to.

  6. Help me?

    I can say, “I breathe in air, and this causes my lungs to expand.”?
    This has already been proven?
    Opps…” My diaphragm and intercostals contract increasing the lung volume and lowering the internal pressure causing atmospheric air to rush in to equalize…inhalation.” Ontario grade 10 science(SNC2D/2P)Just a correction not an insult.

  7. Lawyers describe their fraudulence
    as “adding value”???
    You’re killing me…

    ‘[excerpt] I’m the most terrific liar you ever saw in your life. It’s awful. If I’m on my way to the store to buy a magazine, even, and somebody asks me where I’m going, I’m liable to say I’m going to the opera. It’s terrible. So when I told old Spencer I had to go to the gym and get my equipment and stuff, that was a sheer lie. I don’t even keep my goddam equipment in the gym.

    Where I lived at Pencey, I lived in the Ossenburger Memorial Wing of the new dorms. It was only for juniors and seniors. I was a junior. My roommate was a senior. It was named after this guy Ossenburger that went to Pencey. He made a pot of dough in the undertaking business after he got out of Pencey. What he did, he started these undertaking parlors all over the country that you could get members of your family buried for about five bucks apiece. You should see old Ossenburger. He probably just shoves them in a sack and dumps them in the river. Anyway, he gave Pencey a pile of dough, and they named our wing after him. The first football game of the year, he came up to school in his big goddam Cadillac, and we all had to stand up in the grandstand and give him a locomotive–that’s a cheer. Then, the next morning, in chapel, he made a speech that lasted about ten hours. He started off with about fifty corny jokes, just to show us what a regular guy he was. Very big deal. Then he started telling us how he was never ashamed, when he was in some of kind of trouble or something, to get right down on his knees and pray to God. He told us we should always pray to God–talk to Him and all–wherever we were. He told us we ought to think of Jesus as our buddy and all. He said he talked to Jesus all the time. Even when he was driving his car. That killed me. I just see the big phony bastard shifting into first gear and asking Jesus to send him a few more stiffs.

  8. The only good part of his speech was right in the middle of it. He was telling us all about what a swell guy he was, what a hot-shot and all, then all of a sudden this guy sitting in the row in front of me, Edgar Marsalla, laid this terrific fart. It was a very crude thing to do, in chapel and all, but it was also quite amusing. Old Marsalla. He damn hear blew the roof off. Hardly anybody laughed out loud, and old Ossenburger made out like he didn’t even hear it, but old Thurmer, the headmaster, was sitting right next to him on the rostrum and all, and you could tell he heard it. Boy, was he sore. He didn’t say anything than, but the next night he made us have compulsory study hall in the academic building and he came up and made a speech. He said that the boy that had created the disturbance in chapel wasn’t fit to go to Pencey. We tried to get old Marsalla to rip off another one, right while old Thurmer was making his speech, but he wasn’t in the right mood. Anyway, that’s where I lived at Pencey.

  9. Foreign companies that have histories of corruption have been invited into Ontario to do business.
    This could cause Ontarians numerous problems now and in the future.

  10. The government has allowed a company with a history of corruption into Ontario and now at an ERT this same compamy is going to dictate what testimony the citizens can present before an ERT?

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